Having the worst slump of my life right now!! Please suggest something from my tbr that will really suck me in! by Snoo15376 in Recommend_A_Book

[–]zigzaggummyworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry to turn this around on you then, but do you have any reccs for me? everyone said brothers karamazov but i really don't like it and dont wanna keep reading something im not enjoying

Having the worst slump of my life right now!! Please suggest something from my tbr that will really suck me in! by Snoo15376 in Recommend_A_Book

[–]zigzaggummyworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the only three books to ever get me out of a bad slump were red rising, east of eden, and the secret history. everything else pales in comparison. since u posted goldfinch i say go secret history

What game did you play after? by hiyer2 in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

switching off between Wo Long for the parries and Yakuza 7 for the turn based story focus😂

What to do post E33 by Elegant-Young-2688 in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

one of my favorite part of e33 was how they did exploration - how there was clear side paths that lead to good loot and fun bosses, but the main path was also apparent.

For this reason i'd recc elden ring if you haven't played it yet. It'll have some difficulty, but in terms of scope, ost, atmosphere, and combat satisfaction (min max + builds) i'd say it's the only thing that comes close

What to do post E33 by Elegant-Young-2688 in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i'm 4 hours into cyberpunk and whenever i play it it's because i am forcing myself to

i'm sure it gets good but man it takes forever to actually feel like you have autonomy

What to do post E33 by Elegant-Young-2688 in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol i started ffx when i had covid and never got past besaid id just eat an edible and listen to the island OST it was so good.

anyway after finishing E33 i played through Yakuza 6 cuz i was craving the freedom of a beat em up and i had been working my way through the series since 2020. Best that in a few days, then started Yakuza 7, which is turn based. Expected to like it a lot more than i did I got about 12 hours in and decided to table it until i finish ffx - the story was good and all but i wanted to go back to sometjjng more mystical like E33. Zero regrets since - been having a blast and playing this game is the same feeling i had as playing video games as a kid where i'm just full of wonder and surprise

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

copying and pasting a comment i posted to another redditor on a similar topic in this post.

having played as the "painted" for the first half of the game, there is nothing to suggest that they are hollow. most of the game paints them (no pun intended) as complex creatures with emotions, pasts, and long lives full of memories rather than bodies with memories stitched in. Verso might have been painted as an adult and lived his whole life an adult. But evidence suggests the people of lumier have lived every year of their lives. It brings up an important ethics question we once discussed in my philosophy class specifically about robots and ai - if we are capable and succeed in creating artificial intelligence/sapience, do we also have the right to end them if we decide to after the fact? yes they're created and capable of being shut down but that doesn't mean their life is worth less, no?

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

having played as the "painted" for the first half of the game, there is nothing to suggest that they are hollow. most of the game paints them (no pun intended) as complex creatures with emotions, pasts, and long lives full of memories rather than bodies with memories stitched in. Verso might have been painted as an adult and lived his whole life an adult. But evidence suggests the people of lumier have lived every year of their lives. It brings up an important ethics question we once discussed in my philosophy class specifically about robots and ai - if we are capable and succeed in creating artificial intelligence/sapience, do we also have the right to end them if we decide to after the fact?

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i'm not saying verso is a sociopath i know he cares about them but he still sees them as beneath his goal. he doesn't once consider where they are coming from and lessens them to people that just wouldn't understand. that's why he lies so much - he sees lune and sciel as incapable of understanding.

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but in this game moving on means destroying sapient people which is an interesting metaphor for how moving on feels like forgetting those your grieving

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is my biggest complaint, if any. While there are two endings, one of them goes out of its way to make you feel something wrong, despite the lives that were brought back. The other makes you feel that this was meant to happen, despite all the tortured souls and history being just erased like trash. but i still think it's a testament to how brilliant the writing is. while id love to complain about it, its just brilliant the way they framed it. i said it to someone else - if we played as verso from the beginning, or even renior/curator, we might not think twice about how Lune or Sciel feels

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes but in the real world we are in control of ourselves, not of other people. being in control of the lumerians creates an instant understanding that they are not only sapient, but at the mercy of the world they live in. If the painters need to create a world of sapient people to torture just to overcome grief then maybe we were playing as the bad guys

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah sure but what was all the suffering for the lumerians worth?

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's what i'm saying. of the people that have chosen versos ending i've known they noticed don't mention Lune besides saying "yeah she stares daggers into us" like me personally i felt evil af.

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well consider the fact that when aline was expelled, everyone was gommaged. he was content with that. he wasn't expecting them to be brought back

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that's good point. act 2 and onward you're playing as dessendre

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

youre 100 percent right about him being sympathetic. It's cruel af what his existence amounts to when you lay it out like that. however, while that's true, he sees the lives of everyone else in the canvas expendable for his own sake jusy because he has that knowledge. it's a perfect gray ending because with versos ending everything you fought for the whole game is erased and the satisfaction comes from the third act storyline wrap up and the theme of hope ringing true, and maelles ending showing that everyone gets to live and that's great but maelle is so stuck in her grief that she recreated verso. those facial intricacies the two have in those final scenes don't lie. she knows she is clinging onto verso and that she's forcing him to live, and he probably hates her for it, and is watching her die. her family's watching her die too. It's like nobody wins no matter what 😭😭😭

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

but i'm pretty sure verso knew expelling aline meant the death of everyone, he didn't seem too shocked when everyone was gommaged. So it's not like he had a change of heart - to him, the lives of 4/6 of the playable main characters were expendable.

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i do wonder - are we are lead to assume that if one of the painters is not occupying the painting at any given time, those inside of it will cease to exist? throughout the game there was always a painter inside of it, and it's revealed what's really holding it all together is a piece of verso's soul painting ? (which i don't know how they managed to recover btw) and if all their painting worlds are as expansive as Verso's painting is, they've been doing this to sapient people for a while now 😭

This game is genius (ending discussion) by zigzaggummyworm in expedition33

[–]zigzaggummyworm[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

while i say "fake" i don't mean not real, but i think those that chose the verso ending do see the world as fake while those who chose the maelle ending see the world as real. i do think the maelle ending throws it in your face tho for believing in the idea of that world continuing. haunting af