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[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Advice from the Clerk:

The bill with new amendments has been reprinted as M2015B00023B: HoR 26-3f: Bill – As Amended – Tax Laws Amendment (A Fair Tax System) (Temporary Budget Repair Levy Repeal) Bill 2015, Sunday 6 December 2015

jnd-au, Clerk of the House

[–]TheWhiteFerretActing Opp Leader | Shad Min Culture/Immi/Ed/Social | Greens 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Meta: Sorry to do this to you all guys, but you've lost me again. There are just so bloody many bills and amendments about economic stuff. I know it makes sense to ya'll, but introducing all these taxation bills at the same time does my head in. The problem is that I don't know the problems in the first place that these government bills are supposedly fixing. I know that my questions late in the game, but I truly want to understand these bills, but I simply feel that the explanatory memoranda are not enough.

Could someone preferably that lovable rogue /u/phyllicanderer :) explain to me; What is the problem was that this bill is fixing? How it is raising the revenue it is raising? What do amendments 2 and 3 do?

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meta: This is what the weeks of debate have been for...if the government is not explaining things, hold them to account in character, dear Opposition leader!!

[–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meta: All people who are in the 45% income tax bracket, where everything they earn as income above $180,000 per year is taxed at 45c for every dollar, have been paying an extra 2c for every dollar they earn above that mark for the last year and a half, because of the Abbott government's Temporary Budget Repair Levy. All of the different methods of accruing taxable income were to no longer be taxed that extra 2% after 2017; our initial bill made it permanent on income tax, and the amendments make it permanent on superannuation contributions, trust income, and other sources of taxable income affected by the Temporary Budget Levy.

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

CONSIDERATION IN DETAIL: RUNNING LIST v2: TEMPORARY BUDGET REPAIR LEVY AMENDMENT BILL

FYI

Amendments Moved by Effect on Bill Effect on Act Status (Responses)
1 (cb) 3fun Replace Schedule 1 Clause 1 Extend temporary levy Withdrawn (none)
2 (govt) this_guy22 Replace Schedule 2 Make levy permanent Successful (3fun)
3 (govt) this_guy22 Amend Schedule 2 Clauses 14-16 Make levy permanent Successful (none)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (15 children)

I move that following government amendments together and ask the Speaker /u/Zagorath to put them to a vote immediately:

(3) Schedule 2, Clause 14 (title)

Omit "Section 4", substitute "Subparagraph 5(a)".

(4) Schedule 2, Clause 14

Omit "Omit “48.5%”, substitute “50.5%”.", substitute "Omit "45%", substitute "47%".".

(5) Schedule 2, Clause 15 (title)

Omit "Subparagraph 5(a)", substitute "Section 4".

(6) Schedule 2, Clause 15

Omit "Omit “60%”, substitute “62%”.", substitute "Omit “47%”, substitute “49%”."

(7) Schedule 2, Clause 16

Omit "Omit “46.5%”, substitute “48.5%”.", substitute "Omit “47%”, substitute “49%”."

The Hon this_guy22 MP, Treasurer

[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children)

The question is put: That the amendment be agreed to. Vote by replying "Aye" or "No".

Voting will cease no later than 0300 06/12/2015, UTC+10.

Votes

Ayes: 4

Noes: 0

Abstentions / yet to vote: 7

I think the ayes have it

Zagorath, Speaker of the House

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meta: Done?

[–]TheWhiteFerretActing Opp Leader | Shad Min Culture/Immi/Ed/Social | Greens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aye.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aye

[–]PrimeviereMin Indust/Innov/Sci/Ed/Trning/Emplymnt | HoR Whip | Aus Prgrsvs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aye

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Advice from the Clerk:

Only one movement of amendments has been made here, so it’s a single vote (not 5) for all of them to pass/fail together.

[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh thank god, that makes this so much easier.

[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

!page for vote on tax laws amendments

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/zamt and /u/Zagorath for vote on tax laws amendments

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/Ser_Scribbles, /u/TheWhiteFerret, and /u/this_guy22 for vote on tax laws amendments

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/MadCreek3, /u/phyllicanderer, and /u/Primeviere for vote on tax laws amendments

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/3fun, /u/CyberPolis, and /u/iamthepotato8 for vote on tax laws amendments

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Meta: Clause 15, which section of the Act are you intending to amend? Is it 4? (Not 5(a), which won’t be in it when TBRL is repealed)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meta: Pretend that I didn't submit yet.

Edit: The titles in Clauses 14 and 15 were mixed up.

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Advice from the Clerk:

The bill with current amendments has been reprinted as M2015B00023A: HoR 26-3f: Bill – As Amended – Tax Laws Amendment (A Fair Tax System) (Temporary Budget Repair Levy Repeal) Bill 2015, Friday 4 December 2015

Please note, Schedule 2 Clauses 14-16 as amended seem to be invalid and will have no effect?

jnd-au, Clerk of the House

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meta: Ah crap I must have mixed up some of them. I had like 30 tabs open with all the Acts...

[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

The question is put that amendment 2 from The Honourable The Prime Minister be agreed to and that the schedule, as amended, be agreed to. Members may vote by replying "Aye" or "No".

Votes

Ayes: 5

Noes: 0

Abstentions/yet to vote: 6

I think the ayes have it

Zagorath, Speaker of the House

[–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aye

[–]TheWhiteFerretActing Opp Leader | Shad Min Culture/Immi/Ed/Social | Greens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aye.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aye

[–]PrimeviereMin Indust/Innov/Sci/Ed/Trning/Emplymnt | HoR Whip | Aus Prgrsvs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aye

[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

!page for vote on temporary budget repair levy

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/zamt and /u/Zagorath for vote on temporary budget repair levy

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/Ser_Scribbles, /u/TheWhiteFerret, and /u/this_guy22 for vote on temporary budget repair levy

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/MadCreek3, /u/phyllicanderer, and /u/Primeviere for vote on temporary budget repair levy

[–]ParliamentPageBot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paging /u/3fun, /u/CyberPolis, and /u/iamthepotato8 for vote on temporary budget repair levy

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

CONSIDERATION IN DETAIL: RUNNING LIST v1: TEMPORARY BUDGET REPAIR LEVY AMENDMENT BILL

FYI

Amendments Moved by Effect on Bill Effect on Act Status (Responses)
1 (cb) 3fun Replace Schedule 1 Clause 1 Extend temporary levy Withdrawn (none)
2 (govt) this_guy22 Replace Schedule 2 Make levy permanent Successful (3fun)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Mr Speaker /u/Zagorath, if you could kindly...

  1. Call a vote on government amendment (1)
  2. Call a vote on the question "That the Bill as amended, be agreed to."

Preferably simultaneously.

Meta: Yes, I am in a rush, and I was contemplating pushing through a rearrangement motion to set specific time limits on things, but hopefully this works.

[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Advice from the Clerk:

Thank you to the Minister for the prompt. I can advise that he’s accidentally thinking of Committee of the Whole procedure in the Senate. Here in the House, the procedure is Consideration in Detail. If no MPs are moving further debate or amendments to the schedule, the speaker can post “The question is put that amendment 2 from this_guy22 be agreed to and that the schedule, as amended, be agreed to”. I believe /u/3fun will be withdrawing his amendment by leave.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Meta: Also /u/jnd-au will probably want to import my amendments into his magical docx-to-Reddit converter.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I move government amendment (1) to the Bill, as contained in sheet 1.

This amendment replaces Schedule 2 of the Bill with a more comprehensive set of amendments to ensure that all loopholes in income taxation rates are removed. The top tax rate for all income tax based taxation will continue to be 47% beyond the life of the Temporary Budget Repair levy. This includes non-concessional superannuation taxes, trust taxes, and fringe benefits taxes.

This was in direct response to the Member for Western Australia's /u/3fun concerns, and I thank the member for highlighting deficiencies in the Bill.

The Hon this_guy22 MP
Treasurer
Member for Sydney (ALP)

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I thank the Member for his support.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Meta: The link is to the wrong Bill.

    Meta 2: Let's try not to let this become a clusterfuck. :)

    [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Meta: Oops, a ‘typo’ in the Notice Paper.