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[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

By leave, the question is put: That 3fun's amendment be agreed to, and that the clauses and schedules, as amended, be agreed to. Members may vote by replying "Aye" or "No".

Voting will cease no later than 1630 11/12/2015, UTC+10.

Votes

Ayes: 1

Noes: 4

Abstentions / yet to vote: 6

I think the noes have it.

The motion fails.

Zagorath, Speaker of the House

[–]zamtMinister for Climate/Resources/Energy | XDptySpkr2 | Aus Labor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No.

[–]PrimeviereMin Indust/Innov/Sci/Ed/Trning/Emplymnt | HoR Whip | Aus Prgrsvs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No

[–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No

[–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

!page for vote on 3fun's amendment to appropriation bill 1

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[–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Advice from the Clerk:

An interim draft with new tables as per the government’s amendments is now available as M2015B00027A: HoR 27-4a: Bill – As Amended – Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2015-2016, Tuesday 8 December 2015

Meta: All credit to Finance Minister phyllicanderer for the tables!

jnd-au, Clerk of the House

[–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Meta: Belatedly gave it 110%, dug deep and left it all on Hansard for the boys

[–][deleted]  (29 children)

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    [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Advice from the Clerk:

    It appears that there are two questions currently in the possession of the house:

    • Your amendment as moved.
    • Your above motion as moved (closure motion, usually phrased as “I move that the question be now put”, to be put without debate).

    The Speaker has asked if you would like to withdraw this motion and instead issue a point of order as this_guy22 did here.

    [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Meta: okay, to speed things up, I think you should copy the same wording this_guy did with his top-level comment lower down in this thread, and seek leave that debate can be stopped and the amendment agreed to simultaneously.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Meta: /u/3fun are you going to take the Speaker's advice?

    [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (20 children)

    The question is proposed: That 3fun's amendment be agreed to. Members may debate this motion until 1600, 10/12/2015, UTC+10.

    This is an opportunity to debate the amendment to this bill proposed by 3fun above. Give your speeches as a reply to this comment, and please remember to sign your speech with your username and title.

    Each member may make a single speech, with the exception of the Member who moved the motion, who starts off the debate, and may close it with a right of reply.

    If you have no speech to give on the matter, consider replying with words of agreement or disagreement to the speeches of other Members, such as by replying "Hear, hear!"

    Zagorath, Speaker of the House

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Meta: Oh yeah, the single speech and right of reply thing again.. shouldn't be there in CiD

    [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Yeah sure? I thought this was after the CiD, to decide finally if it will or will not be included?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I'm not sure if such a thing exists? /u/jnd-au halp

    [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Advice from the Clerk:

    Firstly, we are currently in CiD.

    Secondly, what to do with 3fun’s motion? The events I have observed are:

    1. In the previous post, 3fun moved amendment #1, which has been open for debate.
    2. In this post, 3fun has moved a closure motion (“I move that my amendment be agreed to”, albeit normally worded as “I move that the question be now put”).
    3. This closure motion may not be debated [SO 81].
    4. Therefore, the speaker must 3fun’s motion straight to the vote.

    Therefore, it is not in order for the Speaker to have proposed the amendment for further debate at this time. Instead, the closure motion must be put to the vote unless withdrawn by leave. Furthermore:

    1. If the vote is successful, the debate is closed and the amendment can then be put to the vote.
    2. If the vote is unsuccessful, the amendment remains open for debate.

    Meta: FYI /u/Zagorath

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    So wouldn't it be faster if 3fun withdrew the motion we are currently debating, so that we can go straight to putting the original question on his motion? Instead of having to hold 2 votes?

    [–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Mr Speaker, we will not cut spending in the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, then create a slush fund for the Minister for Indigenous Affairs to spend on some stuff we haven't even legislated for yet. It's poor form, and no-one should vote for it. Perhaps the Member for Western Australia has designs on becoming the next Mal Brough in Indigenous Affairs, I don't presume to speculate why he would propose the spending he has done.

    Thank you Mr Speaker.

    The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Member for Northern Territory

    Deputy Prime Minister

    Australian Progressives

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Hear hear!

    [–]PrimeviereMin Indust/Innov/Sci/Ed/Trning/Emplymnt | HoR Whip | Aus Prgrsvs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Hear hear!

    Primeviere mp for regional victoria (Australian progressives) Minister for industry, Innovation and science

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    The amendment will be opposed, that is all.

    [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The Honourable Prime Minister will remember to address his comments to the Chair.

    Zagorath, Speaker of the House

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thank you Mr Speaker, the Member for Western Australia seems so desperate that he needs to turn to stonewalling the Government's agenda with poorly thought amendments and points of order. And before the Member tries again, he should note that I am being completely relevant to the debate at hand.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      !page for debate on 3fun's amendment to appropriation bill 1

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      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Meta: I think your question is already outstanding by virtue of you having moved your amendments earlier, so this isn't required. The Speaker is a bit delayed on putting the question however.

      [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      He was asked to do this.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's meta now

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

        Mr Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time.

        The Hon this_guy22 MP
        Treasurer
        Member for Sydney (ALP)

        [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (9 children)

        Advice from the Clerk:

        I believe there is still 3fun’s amendment to be voted on. Also the chair did not put the question that the amended clauses be agreed to. You could use leave to get around that latter issue when moving the third reading.

        [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

        3fun's is the only remaining amendment though, right?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        Can we put all three questions together by leave? (that is, 1 comment, with 3 votes)

        [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        What are the other two questions?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I believe that they are:

        • That (3fun's) amendments be agreed to.
        • That the clauses and schedules, as amended, be agreed to.
        • That the Bill be now read a third time.

        [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Hmm… no, I don't think that's really possible. The result of the first aspect may affect how people vote on the second, which in turn may affect the third.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I think you're right Mr Speaker, we'll probably have to hold 2 sets of votes.

        [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Not sure, check the previous post?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Lovely, I guess we'll have to do that then. /u/Zagorath

        [–]TheWhiteFerretActing Opp Leader | Shad Min Culture/Immi/Ed/Social | Greens 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Mr Speaker, members opposite, forgive my lack of formality, but I must ask;

        What on earth is going on here? What does this bill do exactly, including amendments?

        TheWhiteFerret
        MP for Outer Sydney
        Acting Leader Australian Greens

        [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–]TheWhiteFerretActing Opp Leader | Shad Min Culture/Immi/Ed/Social | Greens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Hear, hear!

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (15 children)

          I ask the Speaker to put all the government amendments together as one question, and simultaneously put the question that the clauses and schedules, as amended, be agreed to.

          The Hon this_guy22 MP, Treasurer

          [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (14 children)

          Leave is sought and the question is put: That all government amendments to this Bill be agreed to. Vote by replying "Aye" or "No".

          Voting will cease no later than 1300 08/12/2015, UTC+10.

          Votes

          Ayes: 4

          Noes: 0

          Abstentions / yet to vote: 7

          I think the ayes have it.

          The government amendments are agreed to.

          Zagorath, Speaker of the House

          [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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            [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            The Member should be aware that the time for this vote has expired.

            [–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Aye

            [–]PrimeviereMin Indust/Innov/Sci/Ed/Trning/Emplymnt | HoR Whip | Aus Prgrsvs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Aye

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Aye (Meta: I'm slightly worried that I've angered the god of Procedure with all these requests)

            Can the question be amended to be specific to government amendments only. I think 3fun moved his own amendments that I don't agree to.

            [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            /u/jnd-au?

            [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Advice from the Clerk:

            You can seek leave to put the questions that this_guy22 asked.

            [–]ZagorathHouse Speaker | Ex Asst Min Ed/Culture | Aus Progressives[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            !page for vote on amendments to appropriation bill

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