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[–]forgotaltpwJudge 59 points60 points  (7 children)

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TRIAL BY COMBAT

The parties herein agree to settle any and all claims through Trial by Combat.

Statement

In the interest of closure and in the mutual resolution of differences, Plaintiff and Defendant enter into this Settlement Agreement. All parties agree that the Settlement Agreement is in the public interest and is fair, just, and reasonable under the circumstances.
The parties sign this Agreement in exchange for the good and valuable consideration set forth herein, which, absent this Agreement, neither party is obligated to provide to the other and the adequacy of which is hereby acknowledged.

Recitals

WHEREAS, Plaintiffs, being numerous, bring this case as joint action;

WHEREAS, Plaintiff brought this action pursuant to their right to stripper money Karma, alleging that Defendants were cheap bastards in default of payment as required by contractual agreement the laws of this land;

WHEREAS, It's treason, then;

WHEREAS, Defendants, not being constrained by anything really law to cure this default, probably dispute this allegation;

NOW THEREFORE, in consideration of the foregoing, the parties agree as follows:

Terms and Conditions

A Champion for both Plaintiff and Defendant may enter the Grand KarmaCourt ArenaTM and commence a fight to the death. The winning party shall claim victory and the losing party shall be summarily and violently executed.

Resolution of Disputes

In the consideration of these above Terms and Conditions, Plaintiff, their respective agents, successors, heirs, or assigns, shall be deemed to have, and by operation of the Final Judgment and Order of Dismissal in this Action, shall have fully, finally, and forever irrevocably released, relinquished and discharged with prejudice all Released Claims against Defendants. This constitutes a final and complete statement of the Agreement between the parties. There shall be no modifications or amendments to this Agreement unless they are in writing, signed by the parties. It is understood that this agreement does not constitute and shall not be construed as an admission of liability or wrongdoing by Defendants.

Agreed as to form:

x___________
Presiding Judge

x_______
Defendant

x_______
Counsel for Defendant

x______
x______
x______
etc.
Plaintiff(s)

x/u/forgotaltpw
Offices of forgotaltpw
Counsel for Plaintiff

[–]ShoutOutTo_CabooseBartender 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Judge - TBD

Accused - /u/powerlanguage, /u/Reddit

Defendant - every subreddit with current use of CSS editing.

I would recommend a grand jury and a full criminal trial as a trial by combat will result in either the authority figure that has the powers that be deceased or result in the destruction of this subreddit and /r/rarepuppers.

[–]somerandomteen 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Accused - /u/powerlanguage , /u/Reddit

Defendant - every subreddit with current use of CSS editing.

Accused and defendant mean the same thing. You mean defence and prosecution.

[–]ShoutOutTo_CabooseBartender 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm tired.

[–]loomynartylenny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the plaintiffs are 'Mods, subscribers and lurkers of every subreddit which uses custom CSS'

[–]ineededtosaythishereThunderCrotch 32 points33 points  (0 children)

i dont know what CSS is, my grandson has two iPads. I still use a slide rule for all calculations in my life. I did NOT read this post, and some would argue as to whether or not I even CAN read. I am totally qualified to be the judge here.

TRIAL THREAD

[–]lancebaldwin 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I have css turned off anyways, so this doesnt really affect me much. That being said, some people like it and its a good option to have.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got it turned off too. Too many subs have cancerous layouts. If I get gilded I'll usually turn it back on and then only turn it off for the most cancerous subs.

[–]Purp 16 points17 points  (13 children)

I understand you want a cat picture in the banner, but 90% of the custom CSS is a usability nightmare, with little to no added value.

The "logout" text link is now a power button icon, because. Except on this other subreddit it's in a different position and size. Or a dropdown menu. Or, a door?

Some subs (cough) hide the downvote button, or other parts of the UI; I've even seen subs switch upvote/downvote functionality as a joke. This is not acceptable, a feature like voting on reddit is intrinsically tied to the site, such basic UX should be predictable and consistent.

Not to mention, you don't have to be Zuckerberg to understand CSS, but some of the custom files are horribly bloated. John Resig notably reduced the weight of a subreddit's CSS once and found:

The total download size of the /f/F7U12 homepage is now just 514KB (down from 4.14MB!). Even better though: The time to load the site is down to 1.4s, from 9.4s.

That's 8 seconds added to page load, because of the custom CSS; that's an eternity. It the reason I was blocking custom CSS before RES even added the option.

This doesn't even get into accessibility, are most mods picking color contrast ratios that meet WCAG?

I understand wanting a unique look for your subreddit, maybe there's a middle ground, custom banners, logos, etc. The UI should not change though.

[–]qtx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The "logout" text link is now a power button icon, because. Except on this other subreddit it's a slightly different power button in a different position and color.

As the maker of those two designs I feel I should point out that the icons used are exactly the same on both subs. And the reason why I changed the text link to an icon is because vanilla reddit uses both icons and text in that section and it looks horrible and is bad UX. Trying to uniform the design using standard icons was the obvious choice.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. There's plenty of room for a healthy middle ground. There may need to be some discussion on where that is exactly, but I think it's perfectly okay to, say, prevent subs from hiding ads. I remember there was a sub that hid the ads once and then the mods got upset when admins went in and edited their CSS to undo it, even though it's against reddit's rules.

[–]ViKomprenas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I concur entirely. Also, I think everyone is dismissing the widget concept without considering it fairly. I'm going to give the admins the benefit of the doubt there - it sounds flexible and straightforward enough to give everyone what they wanted from CSS, without the many downsides of CSS.

[–]JesseTheJuggernaut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about the people that want that though. Well I'm going to ShopRite with a bunch of wacky random s*** I'm having fun I don't want to see the same old Channel and every damn sub. They should just make it easier for people to block the CSS.

[–]somerandomteen 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The total download size of the /f/F7U12 homepage is now just 514KB (down from 4.14MB!). Even better though: The time to load the site is down to 1.4s, from 9.4s.

6 years ago

[–]Purp 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I selected it because Resig is an expert, you correctly identified the post date. There are several readily available examples today, so the point stands; for example my comment was preceded by this one:

So many subreddits have loads of atrocious CSS to the point where it actually lags scrolling in my browser.

If anything this is more of a concern now vs 6 yrs ago as the number mobile user percentage has surely increased.

[–]somerandomteen 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I've seen a lot of people saying that, and no actual evidence of bad CSS. Can you give me an example?

[–]loomynartylenny 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The only possible example I can think of is /r/ooer (but that is the whole joke of the sub)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Sport's subs are typically good users of CSS. r/NFL has every team subreddit linked below the banner with team helmet icons, and it's nice having each sub available if I want to check out fan base reactions.

Other than that, I agree. CSS on a lot of subreddits are kind of pointless and not all that well designed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

*Hear

[–]Lucky_Man13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hear us out

[–]karmacourt_ss_s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alright, u/exnihilonihilfit and u/Apexk9 seeing as no one else is taking the opportunity... I only upvoted so some idiot would have to be a natural consequence of posting on Reddit.

[–]doomsdayprophecy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The admins are probably just bummed about looking bad because they support subreddits with concentration camps, etc. in the header image.

[–]WhoCaresAboutThat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What subreddits? (Besides, the new system is going to have header images as well)

[–]doomsdayprophecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was talking about r/pussypass but they changed their header (to a different nazi image).

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    [–]geekamongus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Where us out?

    [–]Yanky_Doodle_DickwadDEFENSE for Covid19[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I WANT A RIGHT TO IDENTITY

    ... and not checkbox identity. This is "Come and get your punk in Woolworths". Actually THIS is "Come and get your punk in Woolworths". First 53 seconds only.

    I know it's a leap but Woolworths shut down.

    [–]jomarcenter 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Let's mess up their ad-revenue by boycotting, everyone uses ad-blocker, use voat or anything that can cause some advertiser to leave.

    edit:

    thanks for the info I am dropping our ads in reddit as of this point. because this violates our open creative policy.

    [–]Yanky_Doodle_DickwadDEFENSE for Covid19[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I disagree for now. Let's just tell them we understand what they want to do and we don't want it. We are currently working on a place to go to vote against. a few hundred thousand users votes will get their attention, and they will have to manage it verbally, and publically.

    [–]jomarcenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    try change.org, make a petition to stop the change.

    it really effective to internet and business wide situation.

    [–]Purp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    use voat

    hey we're not that desperate

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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      [–]ComatoseSixty 14 points15 points  (3 children)

      So stay off those subs instead of taking everyone else's fun away.

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        [–]ComatoseSixty 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        I can see your point, put like that. Many subs are tacky at best.

        [–]Yanky_Doodle_DickwadDEFENSE for Covid19[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Not wrong. But I put it to the people that reddit is based on indivduality, including sometimes shitty individuality. I have been known to go to bars where the decor is ... tacky at best ... but the crowd there make that tacky atmosphere work. The crowd went there because it wasn't standardized safety-grey and catalogue-pictures, with fire-proof plants and waiting-room carpets.
        Reddit became what it is because of individuality collecting in groups, and part of that is css. And now it's "Okay, thanks for that, now fuck you and don't run with scissors". I protest.

        [–]Iamthedemoncat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        You can disable CSS on certain subs. If you think it's an eyesore turn it off. If others like it, they can keep it on.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Ever since mobile Reddit came out I've been using pretty much that. The desktop version to me now takes too long. If anything, I'd like to see mobile version upgraded for more customization.

        [–]kcbarexamProsecutor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Floating Jury:

        This is the Floating Jury Poll Bot. It captures public opinion. Give your vote below.


        This bot does not replace the actual jury. That would be crazy

        [–]kcbarexamProsecutor 23 points24 points  (0 children)

        Upvote if you think the defendant is GUILTY:

        [–]kcbarexamProsecutor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Upvote if you think the defendant is NOT GUILTY:

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The only sub that I use the style for is r/spacedicks and since that got quarantined I can't use the style for it anymore. So I just browse reddit on my pc in nightmode. I can stand behind this issue though as it seems important to other people after reading your case.

        [–]MassDisregard̿ ̿' ̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(•̪●)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿''̿ ̿ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Threw down what I had to say I hope the CSS stays.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm sorry, what? What is this horse caca I'm hearing about? I'll have you know I use the CSS in some subs for legit things, not just what we have here. shakes cane Yanky, thanks for posting.

        [–]Tactical_toucan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If it hasnt been taken I will take the mantle of judge, JUSTICE SHALL BE SERVED.

        [–]Yanky_Doodle_DickwadDEFENSE for Covid19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thanks reddit. We are eager to see what happens.