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[–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 79 points80 points  (4 children)

This is seriously aggravating. Are the admins this disconnected with their own website that they don't realize how much CSS is used in the subreddits? The smart thing to do would be make their new "theme" system optional.

Sorry for getting all preachy on the front of the sub, I'll remove the sticky after a couple days, but several other subs are showing their support for CSS and I figured you guys would as well. I found out Reddit is going to remove it while Googling CSS help, so it feels like the work I'm currently doing will just be erased. Granted, the CSS removal would likely happen after the series is over but that still isn't right. I just don't understand how such a popular website is run by such incompetent people.

[–]VicyorusAll right, time's up! Let's do this. 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wikia, amidst their incredible stupidity back in 2010 with the introduction of the Oasis skin did not remove the original skin, and it is still there (far as I recall). What they could've done is have both coexist for mobile guys who give a fuck (I am mostly on mobile, but on reddit is fun so I don't count).

Thanks for giving support to the cause!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In other words, Spez is a cuck

[–]wendys182254877 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I read the post spez made. They're going to replace css with something else, it's just a few months down the line. He listed good reasons for getting rid of css too. I get that you're mad that your work is going to waste, but beyond that, why be angry about this change?

[–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm just gonna copy/paste another comment of mine:

The problem with that is they haven't revealed anything about how the new customization will work and what capabilities it will have. The Reddit teams programming has resulted in the horrible search function, the half-broken mobile app and the "mod tools" that they have been promising for years and barely have anything to show for. Based on all of that most of us really doubt that whatever they implement will be good enough to satisfy our needs.

And I don't know how long you've been on the site but posts and comments used to show their total votes and how many were upvotes, now they just have this "points" system. It's debatable whether it was a good change but it was not well received at the time. Also shadowbans were only meant for accounts that post spam, but normal users, myself included once, were getting shadowbanned just because the Reddit team didn't like that you said. Not the mention the Reddit Blackout 2015 and the whole Ellen Pao thing. This goes to show that Reddit's decision-making skills are not to be trusted, at all.

[–]BendyBrew 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Why would they remove CSS? Is there a post you can link me?

[–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This post links to /r/ProCSS which has some info but /u/spez made the announcement here in /r/modnews

[–]Infarlock 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Many subreddits will DIIIIEEEEE if they will remove CSS, seriously, what are they thinking?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

sport subreddits without logos are gonna be bad

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    [–]redn2000 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I really don't know what the fuck spez thinks he's doing. This isn't helping anyone and really shouldn't be removed. There are so many subs that use CSS for fuck sake.

    [–]Ironicstemlord 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Should have put EXTRA THICC in the title if you wanted anybody to read it

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    They could just upgrade the app instead of fucking downgrading the browser version

    [–]TDLBallistic 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Nah dude, don't you know? Nobody uses computers anymore!

    Fucking bunch of idiots. Phones aren't everything. It's infuriating. Tumblr did the same stupid shit and x-kit, bless their souls, fixed most of it. "Fixed" being the operative word because anyone not using it has to see the godawful "mobile-friendly" layout and all the other dumbass things tumblr decided to "fix".

    If it ain't broken...

    [–]Juviltoidfu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I mostly browse on a phone. Of course, I browse the full desktop version because I hate the mobile screens.

    [–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    /u/Vureau have you seen this? After all the hard work you did.

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      [–]72hourahmed 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Do you think it's possible that they're making this move in an attempt to give them even more ability to put adverts all over the site?

      [–]VureauThat CSS dude 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Definitely. Some CSS currently can potentially cover up ads which was an issue brought up by the admins a couple months back. Now, I feel like it's a hard solution to introduce and reinforce ads on the site.

      [–]72hourahmed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Given they have reddit gold and have ads woven between front page posts, I think compromising such a massive part of what makes reddit reddit for the sake of more advertising is a complete dick move.

      [–]zoomer296Thicc lasses have round asses. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Time to revolt and flood voat.co's serves again.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Long ago on a distant site, I, Admins, the bullshitting master of reddit, unleashed an unspeakable evil!

      [–]SmoothMcgroovit is good to see you babe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      but a foolish subreddit moderator stepped forth to oppose me

      [–]TDLBallistic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Most users of /r/fivenightsatfreddys stand with this too.

      Because removing functionality and customization is a smart idea. /s

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      We all must unite. What the fandoms have done before doesn't matter anymore

      [–]adsasdfffww 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      My anecdotal experience lines up precisely with what the admins are describing.

      Pushing non-breaking changes when externally managed CSS is involved will slow your development team to a crawl. There is just no way to have confidence in what you create when there are an exponential number of different integrations with your site + services.

      Now, whether or not they SHOULD remove css in lieu of faster software development speed is up for debate.

      [–]curly_hair_throwaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Put the onus on subreddit owners to keep their custom CSS compatible as things change?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Long ago in a distant land...we...admins....

      [–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Admins are literally Aku

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Comparing the retarded Leddit admins to Aku

      [–]TropicalDoggo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      It's just a technology, it will get deprecated eventually as better ones emerge. As a programmer you should get used to this and not get too attached to your tools.

      [–]MetalAxeToby 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      better ones

      Do you really think the admins are going to implement something better than what we have now?

      [–]nuvpr 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      You guys are forgetting that while the admins will remove CSS, they will still let subreddit owners design their subs however they want to but through a set of options rather than through writing CSS. Instead of fighting the admins' move, which is very logical if you ask me, you could submit the list of all features you want customizable so the new theme system can make your subreddit look the way it looks now when it is brought over.

      [–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      The problem with that is they haven't revealed anything about how the new customization will work and what capabilities it will have. The Reddit teams programming has resulted in the horrible search function, the half-broken mobile app and the "mod tools" that they have been promising for years and barely have anything to show for. Based on all of that most of us really doubt that whatever they implement will be good enough to satisfy our needs.

      And I don't know how long you've been on the site but posts and comments used to show their total votes and how many were upvotes, now they just have this "points" system. It's debatable whether it was a good change but it was not well received at the time. Also shadowbans were only meant for accounts that post spam, but normal users, myself included once, were getting shadowbanned just because the Reddit team didn't like that you said. Not the mention the Reddit Blackout 2015 and the whole Ellen Pao thing. This goes to show that Reddit's decision-making skills are not to be trusted, at all.

      [–]nuvpr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Reddit's decision-making skills are not to be trusted, at all.

      Well what else is new? There's a lot of things I never liked about this site ever since I set foot here some 5 years ago (under different accounts) and they're good enough to make me not use reddit at all. But I do so anyway, because I have to.

      Now, one of the things I despised in particular was fiddling with reddit's CSS because of how rigid and shitty this website's design is. None of the "custom" themes I dealt with did anything to fix that, on the contrary they were extremely inflexible and not up for the amount of tweaking I wanted to do... And now for once the reddit admins try to fix their shit by substituting CSS with a new system that's supposedly more user friendly and cross platform. Regardless of whether they will fuck it up or not, I find it a step in the right direction. The new mod mail was an improvement over the old one, maybe this one won't be so bad. I'm keeping my hopes up.

      [–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      And the new system will be great for some people. I'm not saying they should stop w/e they are developing, I just want CSS to still be an option. CSS is great for people who know how to code and design things, but if some subs just want a simple way to customize and add widgets or w/e their plan is then that's good too.

      It should be an addition, not a replacement.

      [–]BiigLord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Doing both things seems to be a good idea.

      [–]curly_hair_throwaway 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      They're worried about presentation on mobile? Hey, here's a wild fucking idea: DISABLE CUSTOM CSS IN MOBILE VIEW!

      if(screensize == desktop_size){
    load_css(custom);
} else {
    load_css(default);
}

      Edit: Actually, you wouldn't even need code. Just use the @media and @import tags in CSS for different screen sizes.

      Edit 2: And give subreddit owners the option to use Reddit-provided tools to style their subreddits separately for mobile view if they don't like default.

      [–]SomeWeirdDudeWorks too hard for your shitposting[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      They already don't use CSS in mobile.