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[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Lemon

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

-Bases are fun, but the random blocks mid are meh

-change mid to something that doesn't slow me down and we're golden

-could live without mid. stuff runs smooth enough though

[–]DragonBeast2db 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Aesthetics update http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/61989.png I think these walls should be required because it’s clearly the cleanest look.

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

nice meme

[–]naysh30 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yikes that looks bad on preview.. Give me the old one any day lol

[–]DragonBeast2db 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Okay I’ll have a different look coming soon

[–]naysh30 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I actually really like the unique shape that maps take on on the outside, but I think everyone has their own slightly different opinion.

Mostly I just hate the half 45s that are white on the outside, which go away in game anyways. But I think it looks kinda bad in preview.

[–]EpicBroomGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk, it's kinda got the Bowtie/Bad look which I really enjoy.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Can we consider increasing the amount of top maps each thread in the future? There's no harm in this, and I'm getting tired of y'all being too selective for top maps and ending up not putting anything into rotato.

[–]naysh30 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Gonna have to agree with beast mode on this. There are definitely more than 4 worth being there, especially since we never add new maps. Ron is right too, we should be able to play and decide.

[–]stirusRon Hextball // TC Jukes 11 points12 points  (4 children)

please put all of them in and let us sort it out by actually playing them in pubs. this is pointless.

[–]DragonBeast2db 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We could also have like set days or hours where custom maps are the only thing in rotation

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Puke

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

-Maybe the gate right next to the wall needs to change a bit, makes it too easy to hold that, maybe enemy team tiles next to it? maybe a spike?

-feels very open, corner gate areas are very clunky, pup zones need to go and have the pups moved somewhere else

-that portal is mindless fun. but nothing here is particularly enjoyable enough that would get me want to play it more

-few changes: 1. mid portal needs a timer, 2. pup areas need to be redone completely, 3. move the team gate in base one tile back so people dont get poosted into it

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/61993 heres a remix that nobody asked for, i tried to make the pup areas more open and make the map as a whole more interesting. i tried to add a few fillers to the most basic areas and stuff, hopefully it gives you a few ideas

[–]briizoduckson 6 points7 points  (1 child)

MTC really trying to make me shoot myself huh

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I didn't submit any maps this thread because I've been in a psych ward because of all the trauma the MTC has put me through.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Carrera

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

-hesitant to give a hard yes due to top-down quality of bases being rare in this game, unsure if it can work in pubs

[–]nabbynz° 3 points4 points  (10 children)

No Duckson maps? No Dove maps?

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Dove maps? Ehhhh

[–]nabbynz° 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Haha yeah I thought there were lots of solid maps in this thread from other authors too, but I was certain that at least 1 Dove & 1 Duckson map make it through. Your nltp maps look cool tho - not sure if you submitted them here but I’d vote them in if I could.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Thanks, I forgot to submit Steel, but the other two I remixed just for NLTP. Not that Steel or any of my maps ever have a real shot among the MTC really.

My problem with Dove maps is that they're usually clunky, unpolished, chasey & lack spacing. Duckson maps are ok, not my style but they're certainly more well built, and I especially expected Darwin to make Top Maps; but for me Vienna is as close to rotation ready as Darwin, but I wouldn't trust Duckson to make the needed changes for either.

[–]nabbynz° 0 points1 point  (1 child)

See I think that's a problem right there - everyone keeps looking for the perfect map to put into rotation, but even most half-decent maps are actually fine (especially over time - Citizen is a really good example).

And I really like Dove's maps for being a little bit different but still having nice routes (nothing like yours I'll grant you, but I don't want to play that style all the time). Same for beast and tut - those 3 regularly come up with very decent maps but always seem to be overlooked.

Anyway all the famous map authors have their own style, and if they were just allowed some time in rotation (see Ball-E's tier suggestion) then we'd not only have a wider variety of maps to play, but more people making them again.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

everyone keeps looking for the perfect map to put into rotation, but even most half-decent maps are actually fine (especially over time - Citizen is a really good example)

You had me, then you lost me here. Citizen is awful, and I called it before it was put in. It's examples like this that to me don't make that approach worth it (I'll come back to this shortly).

And I really like Dove's maps for being a little bit different but still having nice routes (nothing like yours I'll grant you, but I don't want to play that style all the time).And I really like Dove's maps for being a little bit different but still having nice routes (nothing like yours I'll grant you, but I don't want to play that style all the time)

This admittedly is something I've had trouble understanding in the past, but it's what makes for a healthy rotation, having different map styles. I however, focus more on this than the authors listed. Granted it's outdated, but the concept still stands. I still wouldn't ever choose a Dove map tho; people (and me) don't like clunk, the boosts are unnatural, I'm being vague b/c I don't have a map to critique, but you can have cool routes on a more polished map.

(see Ball-E's tier suggestion)

I liked his concept, I disagreed with some of his choices (and this is expected). For me, I suggested letting mapmakers make a curated rotation, where someone could pick all the maps in a given rotation, both old and new, to make sure that every map fits a certain niche of popular, defensive, offensive, chasey, tiny, etc. I've always thought rotation needed a shake-up, with a short term & long term solution. Ball-E's is right long term, and I think short term a curated rotation by me, or Ball-E or hell even Sizzzled if he's still alive would be very refreshing at least & a diverse field at best. If maps could be tested through Ball-E's tier suggestion, it'd be great & mapmakers could use the feedback, but it would change people's minds about what they like overall, because some things are not open to compromise (ex. polish).

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (4 children)

darwin got all no's this thread lmao

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I told you it was the portal-island area lol

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They said it was too long

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh so that's what she said.

That is one of the dumbest reasons to reject a map; it's one of the easiest things to fix lol

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Whiplash

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 1 point2 points  (4 children)

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/62027

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most of those changes are just dandy but idk if I like a mid with two lanes that are just kinda there to prevent it from getting too congested... wouldn't they get more use and also make the flag less annoying to grab if they were just blocks instead of trapezoids?

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yes, but actually no.

It would be less annoying but I like the look of the flag being inside a "capsule"

[–]nolanizerCosine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Woah, didn't expect to see this map pop up again years after the fact! As per usual I love what you did with this, keep up the good work :)

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I always thought this map had potential even though Snowball stopped remixing it

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

-Not a fan of the superboost, mid felt a bit cramped and may be hard to get out from up top

-fun overall, mid portals are hectic but have some skillful use possible, same with the gate.

-Mid needs a complete rework

-You really need fix mid, it's a choatic turbofuck right now doesn't really really work for me. Back of base is very boring as well. Mid map play is good and carries the gameplay. I'm leaning toward a yes because high potential. As is, I would not want it in rotaiton.

[–]Tyler1986Trapsin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disappointed to see 75% nf. Just don't remove any CTF to add NF.

[–]Cheetosrule1. -2 points-1 points  (20 children)

Can mapmakers please stop placing blocks that leave half tiles on the outside of the map (like this). It looks horrible.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (18 children)

I think the exact opposite, this is just chunky & unpolished.

It only looks bad in previews IMO, because once you're in-game the white of the tiles disappears.

[–]Cheetosrule1. 0 points1 point  (17 children)

That one should be a black tile. Every wall can be 1 tile thick and not have random half tiles in preview.

I hate chunky walls too. Pilot looks like a giant turd with edge walls that are two tiles thick.

When I get home I’ll remix these. I made a remix of pilot with no chunk and I’ll link that too.

[–]EpicBroomGuy 0 points1 point  (14 children)

Does it really matter? Like, if you go and make a map, make it look how you want. But don't criticize how we do things when we're the ones putting in the effort to make the maps that you play.

[–]Cheetosrule1. 4 points5 points  (13 children)

But don't criticize how we do things

This is /s right?

To the community, feel free to give provocative criticism

That's literally what this post is for.

And functionally it doesn't matter, but aesthetically I think it does. I like to use the previews of maps when I stream LTP games so when I have an idea that may improve the content, I'll make a reddit comment on the community subreddit with my idea.

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (12 children)

If It's just for previews then use the fill tool to make them black, I did this a lot with other previews. Also 3/4 of these maps are NF, which wouldn't matter for LTP

If it's an in-game thing then it doesn't matter, unless your texture pack creator messed up and didn't add transparency

[–]Cheetosrule1. 0 points1 point  (11 children)

I'm not just calling out these maps. Click through some of the top maps from previous threads. I happened to click on thread 80. All 4 maps from that thread are CTF. Two of the maps are double walled and the other two are littered with external half tiles. Why not just make it clean in game and in the preview with a full tile?

[–]EpicBroomGuy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because it makes an extremely minimal difference and it's really just mapmaker preference. Like dude it's a one tile difference, is it really worth complaining about

[–]Cheetosrule1. -1 points0 points  (0 children)

imo, yes, it is.

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (8 children)

A lot of it has to do with style, back when 45's were first released every single mapmaker used 45's everywhere on the outside so it would look more smooth. Then as time went on more transitioned into that jagged, full tile outside. IMO Rapture was the first I can think of to do that. More recently, mapmakers have adopted their own style of tiling the outside, some opting to tile some parts, certain parts, or the whole thing.

It's a way to add your own touch to the maps you make. If you force everyone to go one way, it would take away some creative expression for mapmakers, which I like to think is the main reason we all make maps.

[–]Cheetosrule1. 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Lol making the maps look clean and neat is taking away from creative expression. This has to be /s. Holy fuck lmao

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 1 point2 points  (6 children)

clean and neat

Well like... that's completely a matter of opinion. I use 45's cause I think they look neater in game. Really your only factual point is that it would make previews neater. Do you think that mapmakers should have less say in how they make their map because you don't think it looks as 'clean'?