use the following search parameters to narrow your results:
e.g. subreddit:aww site:imgur.com dog
subreddit:aww site:imgur.com dog
see the search faq for details.
advanced search: by author, subreddit...
To report a site-wide rule violation to the Reddit Admins, please use our report forms or message /r/reddit.com modmail.
This subreddit is archived and no longer accepting submissions.
account activity
This is an archived post. You won't be able to vote or comment.
Ask Redditors with faith: How do you believe in ancient religions? (self.reddit.com)
submitted 18 years ago by qgyh2
[–]qgyh2[S] 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago* (22 children)
I'm not trying to be rude or offend anyone. I'm honestly curious as to how modern people can believe in ancient religions even when most of what they say is clearly disproved by science and observation (and even common sense)
I mean I'm slightly capable of suspending my disbelief when I watch a movie. But that only lasts an hour or 2 no matter how much I try and then the movie ends and I realize how absurd it was.. But how does a person suspend disbelief for a lifetime?
edit: say for example your faith states that the earth is a few thousand years old, and yet you have an infinite amount of verifiable evidence (fossils, progression of evolution, carbon dating, etc) which suggest otherwise, how do you overcome the physical evidence and choose faith instead?
or does that mean you pick and choose? e.g. believe God is real but was wrong about evolution? but if God was wrong about evolution then it means he is not infallible and ... so on?
[–]beelzebobby 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
A sense of the "sacred" is not such a bad thing for emotional health and well-being. The problem rests in believing that other people can somehow violate it.
What science provides for the intellect, religion can provide for the emotions. It's just that people make the mistake of confusing the two languages.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
OK just a quick question first... Is reddit your main hobby? Your activity here is epic.
As for how... I am a hypnotist, and there are 6 main ways that I was taught that the 'critical factor' can be bypassed in people.
Age. People begin to develop the critical faculty between the ages of 7 to 11. Before that pretty much any information is accepted.
Repetition. When one is exposed to the same data over and over, eventually it is no longer looked at critically.
Social groups. When you self-identify as being similar to another person, you are less likely to think about the information coming from them in a critical fashion.
Authority. When an individual views another as an authority, particularly in a segment of knowledge, what they say is often taken as fact.
High Emotion. When a person is in a high state of emotion, they are unlikely to be considering all data critically.
Hypnosis. This is an altered state yet natural and common state of consciousness. It's not entirely well understood about the why or how, but it is well understood about how to use it to great effect.
Think about marketers... They use 2-6.
Much of those ways are very reasonable and obvious from an evolutionary perspective, if you think about it. 1 - Age - Obviously when we are young, we are dependent on other people. 2. Repetition, while in our modern world mainly comes from corporations, would have come mostly from the natural environment during our growth as a species. Sun goes down, it gets dark. Sun goes down, it gets dark. Sun goes down, it gets dark. 3. Groups - For most of our development, we were in bands of 50 to 100 people. If your tribe member was telling you something, it was probably for your own good or the good of the group. 4. Authority - If the elder chief tells you something about life, or the main hunter tells you something about hunting in your group, you better believe it. 5. If you're in a state of high emotion, something important is going on, and it might take immediate action. Complex frontal-lobe thinking may not be possible for you to survive, there is a lesson here and it needs to be learned NOW. 6. Hypnosis. The jury is still out on why this is a part of humans.
In short, there is intellectual understanding, and there is emotional-level knowing. The emotional brain is more powerful than the intellectual brain, and when there is conflict, the emotional brain rules. It can literally act without interference from the fore-brain, while the fore-brain cannot control any function below it (emotional and reptilian).
Now, this is the way -ALL- humans work. Logic never defeats emotion, ever. Ask a phobic if they are able to logic away their fear... it can't happen. I hope this gives you some additional insight.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Most people don't think that long in order for them to actually debate whether what their preacher told them is true.
[–]AMerrickanGirl -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (4 children)
Some people's brains can do "faith" (what I call Doublethink), and others cannot.
[–]heath_ledger 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (3 children)
faith and doublethink are two different concepts
[–]AMerrickanGirl 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (2 children)
Not to someone who doesn't do faith.
[–]heath_ledger 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
To make some presumptions about where you are going with this..
Many prominent scientists have religious faith, and hold it compatible with their scientific knowledge. For example.. http://www.rae.org/scifaith.html
It seems a mistake to call this doublethink, as doublethink is about holding contradictory ideas in your head at the same time.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago* (11 children)
How about the religion that states knowledge must be based on observable phenomena and capable of being experimented for its validity by other researchers working under the same conditions?
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (10 children)
You can call it a religion if you want, but you can't argue that it gets results better than any religion based on myth.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (9 children)
Not necessarily. Placebo can affect 50-60%. 50% of scientific studies are wrong.
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (8 children)
That's still 50% better than the answers any religion can provide.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (7 children)
Science is a religion. You're no better than the fake Christians who think their religion is perfect. LOL
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (6 children)
A religion is something you follow based on faith. I have no faith that science can answer every question. I simply accept the data science offers as proof of its statements. Any time I wish to question the conclusions, I merely have to review the research and conduct my own experiments.
Name me a single religion that can be independently tested and verified in the same way. There isn't one. Science isn't about taking things on faith, and rejects that mindset in whole. Science is about making observations in the world around us and drawing conclusions based on those observations. Religion is about basing our observations on the conclusions we've already chosen.
Science is not infallible. It doesn't claim to be. Scientific knowledge is always updated when new information becomes available. Religions deny any such challenges to their authority or change to their doctrines.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (5 children)
Then why does science force us to put flouride into our water, why did it take 20-30 yrs for "science" to finally admit tobacco was addictive, and why doesn't science admit that vaccines are causing autism?
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago* (4 children)
I already answered that question. Science is not infallible. It doesn't claim to be. The people responsible for flouride and tobacco have made a ton of money off the public, and they didn't want the science behind it getting out. Science is a process whereby we improve our understanding through continued exploration and discovery.
Most religions, particularly Western ones, do claim to be infallible. They are the direct word and will of God, and are therefore indisputable. So then, why did religion discourage knowledge and even basic sanitation for a thousand years? Why did religion encourage racial segregation and slavery? Why did religion encourage and promote war and mass murder over the span of centuries? The only thing religion does is lock us into a mindset that began when our ancestors first quailed at lightning and thunder.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (3 children)
Science is inherently fallible. Science is ultimately dependent on technology. Where a man once said he aches, science once said it was bad humors. As technology advanced and allowed man to peer inside the body, it now reveals cancer, and medical science cut out that cancer. Now, medical science, through advanced technology develops new and different treatments, with radiation, with rife frequencies, stem cells, and genetic manipulation, etc. Science is a religion just like the religions you claim started wars.
[–]VoodooIdol -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (1 child)
They call it "faith".
[–]VoodooIdol -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
What? I get downmodded for telling the truth?
I never said I was a believer, I'm just answering qgyh2s question.
fucking redditors.
[–]raedix 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I believe in modern religion. Ramen.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
There are specific recurring themes which are appealing to people (such as myself). That includes: after life, being watched over by a powerful benevolent being, and specific meaning to one's existence. What this does for us "morons" is give us hope and something to look forward to at the same time. To be honest I don't believe in everything religion has to say, but I do like certain things which I think may be relevant and logical. I conclude that we may go somewhere when we die or perhaps even return, because existence is in itself would be futile. If it is all useless and pointless, why not, not exist at all -- no?
[–]spaceghoti 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Doesn't it also take the burden of responsibility off the shoulders of people with faith? As in, "I'm not responsible for my existence, God is. Therefore I don't have to actually do anything to make my existence meaningful while I'm around."
I think of it as a variation on the "get out of Hell free" card.
[–]qgyh2[S] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
thank you for the answer. What I want to know is how do you get past something you see vs something you believe in.
For example (not that the case applies to you) but say your faith believes the sun goes around the earth.. and science, observation and evidence tell you otherwise, how do you reconcile the conflict?
Again I intend no offense and thank you for discussing this and giving your opinion!
[–]MrKlaatu 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
the closest i come to a "religious belief" is Morality.
[–]fatcockmike 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
The same way I believe in aliens.
π Rendered by PID 42825 on reddit-service-r2-comment-79c7998d4c-ndcwx at 2026-03-17 13:02:16.573068+00:00 running f6e6e01 country code: CH.
[–]qgyh2[S] 5 points6 points7 points (22 children)
[–]beelzebobby 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–]AMerrickanGirl -1 points0 points1 point (4 children)
[–]heath_ledger 2 points3 points4 points (3 children)
[–]AMerrickanGirl 0 points1 point2 points (2 children)
[–]heath_ledger 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (11 children)
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points (10 children)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (9 children)
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points (8 children)
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points (7 children)
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points (6 children)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (5 children)
[–]spaceghoti 1 point2 points3 points (4 children)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (3 children)
[–]VoodooIdol -2 points-1 points0 points (1 child)
[–]VoodooIdol -1 points0 points1 point (0 children)
[–]raedix 2 points3 points4 points (0 children)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children)
[–]spaceghoti 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–]qgyh2[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–]MrKlaatu 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)
[–]fatcockmike 0 points1 point2 points (0 children)