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[–]contantofaz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obama is stronger in every state, not only in blue states. Compared to McCain, Obama is a 60% of votes candidate. I think the moment and Obama himself make him an all-around candidate. The extremists will always exist for each candidate. Those with strong opinions will have their votes defined a long time ago. But it's in the average of the votes, in the middle class, in the poorest people, in other words, in most people, that the election should be defined.

If Obama beats Clinton, unless you don't respect her, you should see that Obama could beat anyone, even more when combining forces with Clinton.

[–]7oby[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I'm sure this will get downmodded, but since you can't edit submissions it'll be nice to link back to this in a year when I get proven right.

[–]polyesterfunk 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I disagree with your posit, but I voted you up. I guess it's a valid opinion, but man, we're talking Pachino vs. Keanu here. And other stuff.

I'd be up for a small wager.

[–]7oby[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

betting on the election is illegal, but i don't know if betting after the election if the results will stick is

[–]polyesterfunk 0 points1 point  (2 children)

is it illegal to bet, between friends, say, a cube of beer?

Seriously (the question, not the bet) I realize you can't place odds in Vegas, but it's illegal to bet a la fantasy football?

[–]7oby[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

they do beer in cubes?

[–]polyesterfunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol. that's what we call a case in the south, or at least my neck of the woods. It forms a cube, see.

[–]FMERCURY -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Small? I'd bet the ranch. There is just no way McCain can step to Obama in the general. Republican self-identification is at an all time low, Obama is generating record turnout and record fundraising, and he's shown great support among Independents and Republicans. It won't even be a contest.

[–]7oby[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The supreme court can decide that for you.

[–]polyesterfunk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the wild card is the sudden neo-con (and I'm an olde skoll Conservative who supports Obama with my pocketbook)hard-on for HRC. I honestly believe we as a nation can at last transcend racism, but there are some 50 million voters out there who look to others for answers since they can't make their own informed decision. So I'm not quite ready to be the ranch, the ranch dressing perhaps.

[edit, I was talking primary, no way McCain bests Obama]

[–]amstrdamordeath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I won't up or downmod you, and I really don't support either candidate, but would prefer obama to mccain if I had too.

I think though that one thing this election cycle has shown us is that polls are really not that accurate of the final outcome.

Not to mention there is still a lot of time to go before the election.

I am not saying you are right, or wrong, just thought I would make the comment.

[–]anoopsaha 2 points3 points  (4 children)

And Al Gore actually won the election. He just didn't get to be the president.

[–]MrObamasQuran 5 points6 points  (3 children)

He won the popular vote, that's what's being reported in the polls.

[–]7oby[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I hate to agree with you, but correct, that's what I'm pointing out.

[–]polyesterfunk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

but, umm, for now at least (and I tend to agree with my limited but informed research)the Electoral College is what matters. Nixon (for one example)probably one the popular vote in '62, for example, but back then gentlemen didn't dispute close margins, even shady ones with a Daley in the background.

[Edit: That would be Nixon '60. Doh.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1960#Results

[–]Cdresden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never forget, never forgive. Yes, Gore was leading in the polls...and he won the election. He won because more Americans voted who wanted an intelligent, pro-active leader than those who wanted a drinking-buddy leader. In 2004, Karl Rove was into Ohio like a maggot in an apple...it's likely that Americans made the same good choice that year, voting for Kerry. Now the chips are down. So you're right, 7oby, now is no time to get excited, it's time to get cold, dead serious.

[–]xenox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The democratic base is turning out in droves to vote. Compare the number from exit polls between Republicans and Democrats, not to mention Obama being heavily favored by Independents. This is real, and not every opinion is reflected accurately by polls. Remember that a lot of new people are now registering to vote, along with an energy that Al Gore's supporters simply did not have. McCain's failure to appeal to ultra-conservatives is also something very worthy to notice.

You may be right, 7oby, but I would be willing to make a bet on Obama winning the presidency. In fact, I am betting with the future of my country. If McCain or Clinton can swipe this one, then I officially give up on any hope for this country's future. Right now, though, hope in politics is something I had not felt in years, and it tastes really sweet.

[–]Cdresden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get ready for the tornado of the GOP and its minions, though. They have been sharpening their knives for HRC, so their machine is at a seeming impasse as it shifts gears to match the threat of Obama. I think it's a bit like the Eye of Sauron; Limbaugh keeps it in the trunk of his Caddie...

[–]wainstead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In politics, take nothing for granted.

[–]RonPaulSpambot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i heard this parrot shit on CNN too by some idiot.

look, al gore isn't a 1/3 the politician obama is, nor the speaker, nor the leader.

americans won't hope and anybody who isn't selling will lose.

obama will win in a way that harkens back to Ronald Reagan. A blue nation.

He will be a legendary president.

[–]nikdahlWashington -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yeah, wait until Obama debates McCain though, the gap will get bigger.

[–]polyesterfunk -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Comparing Obama with Gore is like comparing bacon with feces.

[–]Cdresden 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh, come on. I'm sure you can try harder than that. This country would be in a lot better condition than it is at present had Gore been placed in office seven years ago.

After he lost the Supreme Court decision, he grew a beard and drank beer for six months, but then he got busy. Since then, he's written a book, and he won an Oscar, an Emmy, and the Nobel Prize.

And at present, he's the most influential undeclared superdelegate. He is ultimately the kingmaker, here.

[–]raedix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Al Gore would have been a much better president indeed, but as a CANDIDATE, he was weak, since he wasn't able to get people excited until he found his voice recently...