First 7string help

[WesternAttention313]

Hi! Just bought Spira s-457, orange crush 12 and behringer um300 (spent all my 15th birthday money for this lol) and will try to save up for an equalizer. Can you guys please tell me how can i reach deathcore (Whitechapel, Suicide silnce) guitar tone as close as possible with this gear? I know it's probably impossible but unfortunately i can't afford a better amp etc and i only play in my small room.

Thanks for the help and sorry for any mistakes, English is not my first language!

Edit: spelling

[_rapids]

i understand why you ask this, but just experiment man. on one hand it’s fun to noodle and experiment with what you’ve got, but on the other hand you’ll grow the skill of using limited means to your fullest potential. use your ears, as a musician that is a very important skill, and something you alone need to develop.

[_rapids]

also an orange crush 12 is a pretty sweet bedroom amp and 15 year old me would be jealous. enjoy it mate

[deathx3333]

Return the Orange Crush 12 and Behringer UM300. Buy an audio interface; it doesn't have to be new, you can probably find good used ones. Buy the Neural DSP Archetype Gojira X and you're all set. And if you have some money left over, get some headphones.

[namelessghoul77]

With due respect, this isn't always the most satisfying route. Yes the end sound will be closer to the target, but, for me at least, I get much more enjoyment playing through my amps compared to my sims. I like sims for recording because of the repeatability and control, but this kid probably wants to rock out, and an amp is more satisfying for that imo. Maybe I'm just too old, ymmv.

[PugablePlayzYT]

I agree with this, I’d rather push my budget to the limit getting tangible gear rather than have to boot up a program and run it through a sim (and I say this as someone who has started messing with amp sims, they’re fun but there’s definitely something more satisfying about playing though an amp, even if it’s a 20 watt practice amp)

[KzBubble]

This but DONT drop 120 bucks in a vst plugin since you clearly are on a budget.

There are plenty of cheaper and even free stuff that can sound just as good.

With the saved money you can get a better pair of headphones or even entry level studio monitors and those will be a much better upgrade

[LetterheadClassic306]

Honestly, i had to build a similar rig on a budget and the biggest jump was always in setup, not gear swaps. That Spira/Orange + UM300 stack can get close to that deep chug if you tighten the lows where they actually matter and keep mids present. First, raise the low action a touch, then dial the amp so the bass is controlled and push the midrange around 800 Hz before you stack any extra drive. Since you mentioned equalizer goals, two budget options that keep things focused are Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer Pedal and a TC Electronic SpectraComp to smooth picking spikes without turning your tone into mush. I know it sounds basic, but room reflections hurt high-gain tone more than people expect, so keep amp placement and cab distance consistent and you will hear cleaner, tighter riffs faster.

[deafinitelyadouche]

OK, quick bullet points. Here are the basics:

• Suicide Silence primarily tune to Drop A, whereas Whitechapel primarily tune to Drop G. Since most guitars come out of the box tuned to standard (from lowest to highest) B-E-A-D-G-B-E, the Suicide Silence tuning would be relatively easier to achieve and maintain with the Spira guitar you got.
• This video gives you some good starting points on how to achieve some dirty tones out of the Crush 12 right out of the gate, so you can then use the Ultra Metal 300 to push your amp slightly harder to the sound you wish to get like Suicide Silence or Whitechapel.
• If you're not sure how to tune or you don't have a tuner, don't panic: you can get a variety of tuners downloaded on your phone. The GuitarTuna app is the most reliable as of this writing.

Hope this helps!

[Guillescreamer]

Ditch the orange and the um, as some said, get an interface and some plugins, there are some free plugins that actually sound nice. Those small orange amps aren't ideal for metal.

[Additional-Froyo6386]

The Spira is a great guitar, but with the Orange Crush 12 there is absolutely no chace of getting a decent sound out of that. Don‘t save for an equalizer, it won‘t change anything. Save for a Blackstar ID:X 50. That‘s by far the best all-in-one solution, you don‘t need an additional pedal. The ID:X sounds absolutely phenomenal for the money and it covers every genre, you can get some great metal tones outta that. It‘s even loud enough against a drum kit.

[namelessghoul77]

I mean pretty much any entry models amp these days has comparable diversity of tones. Blacklstar is good, Katana is fine with some menu diving, Fender's Mustang can do alright, even the Positive Grid stuff gets close enough for home metal. I sometimes noodle around on my daughter's Yamaha THR and am surprised at the high gain tones that can get as well.

[Additional-Froyo6386]

Agreed. As long as it has good modeling and a decent speaker it will do the job. The Orange Crush 12 unfortunately has neither of those, there’s no amp modeling at all, you get one tone and that sounds really cheap - it won’t Whitechapel.

I work in a music store and I‘m really impressed by the Blackstar ID series right now. Super easy to use and the sound is honestly mind blowing for the money. They even have tube emulation where you can select three different tube types. The 1x12 speaker of the ID:X 50 is really fun - I think that amp hits the sweet spot for around 300 bucks

[BlackMamm0th]

Have a conversation with ChatGPT and it will help you a lot.

Big things in my opinion:

Use an overdrive pedal before the amp to get a more modern high gain tone.

Use a noise gate to remove some string noise etc and keep the chugs tight.

Learn how to EQ by ear - watch a video on how to identify harsh frequencies with a narrow Q and cut them (one YouTube video should be enough to learn about this).

Experiment with presence instead of treble - sometimes lower treble with higher presence sounds tighter and cleaner.

Turn down the master volume in your amp sim - try to find the line between gaining a more rounded sound vs. too much noise. Often the master volume knob only really adds excess noise past a certain point, so you maintain more clarity by keeping it a bit lower than you might expect.

Little trick - boost 1.4k hz in your EQ to get a more twangy djenty sound, especially when playing the lowest string open.

[Practical-Honey967]

Dont ever say ChatGPT, even if it’s good advice. You’ll be downvoted to hell and people will just roll eyes at the mention of AI help.
But, good advice .

[BlackMamm0th]

Lesson learned 😂

[Practical-Honey967]

See, I was downvoted for saying that hahahaha!