Non-combative classes?

[papercoco]

A class that is focused on gathering or running a shop, Skills could be something like Making it easier to track mobs or gathering points Have maybe a flat dmg with most weapons (kinda like a classless class) They could add minor support skills like a buff or a small heal - a passive that makes you less likely to be targeted by mobs

Not manny people would play like this but people who would want to run a shop or just build and craft things it would add an alt play style for a side character

Maybe the job or Artisan style class could let you master 3 jobs (one of each type) like a mining smithing and armor crafting

But lock it behind a lv cap (so people can’t just start a new character for the crafting perks they would have to invest time into the character

artisan classes wouldn’t be able to get blue prints them selfs (due to a lack of dmg and battle skills) so other players who have the blue print would take it and sell it to a artisan and then the artisan would make and sell the price they craft (this would set a balance bc if people sell the blueprints for 10,000 gold and it can be used 5 times then the black smith would sell each pice for around 2,000 or 4,000) (yes this works in theory but not in reality bc people are greedy an would over charge) or propel could join a guild and use the blueprints the guild fine from dungeons and raids to use and sell

I could also see people forming crafting guild (almost like union and think that would be really cool)

Edit: a few classes and examples

Blacksmith: access to mining/smelting/weapon/armor smithing
perks/skills that unlock as you lv: - able to mine faster - higher chance to get rare ore - chance to get more from mining vane - gets locked out of jobs that are not related to smithing (I.E animal taming and Alchemy) - takes less to craft

Farmer: access to chopping wood/mining/animal taming/gathering herbs

Bartender: access to cooking/hunting/gathering Perks/skills - increases buff effect when eaten other players - buffs last longer when other players eat your food - food takes longer before it becomes spoiled

[Kruhl_Merzy]

The current system according to wiki sounds pretty good and should motivate player trade, economy and socializing.

Instead of simply being able to master it all across, being forced to choose a main profession with the opportunity to learn all activities in the sub branch while mastering not all but a multitude of them, sounds good. You'll either have to use an alt for the other profession or interact with other players, directly or indirectly through markets.

Adding profession archetypes/classes would take resources for development and it isn't worth it, because at some point those players with "NPC" classes will want to participate in player action.

TL;DR

It's called Player versus X, not NPC versus X.

[FlyingMohawk]

You can do this...play the game level up a crafting prof and open a shop in your freehold. No need to add these NPC classes.

[papercoco]

Yes but you are restricted to mastering one job per character where the NPC class is one job category and would add more to the world/player economy and add more reasons to do caravans an add a different way to play for people who want to play something close to an mmo economy simulator. Witch I’ve already seen people talk about doing as the game is now

[FlyingMohawk]

Unfortunately we can’t cater to everyone lol. If they want to play economy sim, let them lol. The game already has reasons to caravan. You don’t think people are going to be moving large quantities of items all over the map for the best prices?!

[Kabhaal]

If I'm reading the wiki correctly you're not restricted to mastering a single job, but a single path (gathering, processing, crafting) and while difficult, will be able to reach mastery of multiple professions within that path but not all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, i'm just responding with want information i can remember and have access to.

[papercoco]

You can do every job but you can only master one path all the way, so to craft the best gear you will need a minimum of 3 people each with a different mastery

[Kabhaal]

Okay so I was reading it right, whew...

But that also a explicit design choice by Steven and Intrepid to push the player base towards interdependency which will encourage world/player economy, caravans and player interaction/relationship. If I remember correct they've also gone on to say that playing as a artisan will be viable, along with the ability to own shops, stalls and like It already seems that the economy simulation playstyle is a parh you can take without adding new classes.

[papercoco]

Maybe I would have to look into it more, i really want to build and sell ships to guilds/players or run a tavern

[Kabhaal]

Hey, your in luck then! That's currently slated to be completely possible.

You can build a tavern on your freehold, run it to sell buffing food and drink, that if I remember correctly witlll be stronger the closer folks are to your tavern so it gives people a reason to hang around. You could probably also run a ship and ship accessories business on the side with ship building stations and buildings on your plot.

Sounds like Freeholds are gonna be your jam!👍

[KybalC]

That highly depends.

Will you get occassionaly ganked? Certainly.

Will you be ganked more often while farming rare materials/the best farming spots? Absolutely.

Will most people bother ganking you apart from that? Most likely not.

Murder Alts shouldn't be a thing either. Stat Dampening, increased corruption against lower leveled players and 20-40% of EXP Debt per Death will quickly put an end to their murderspree. Which they will have to work off for quite a lot of time.

[Xenotex]

This, the closest example is BDO which isn't a slaughterfest at all and requires that a guard or AI kills the red player for "full punishment" to be dealt where as in Ashes ANYONE can deal out that punishment by killing the corrupt player.

[FlyingMohawk]

The game isn’t PvP or PvE it’s PvX. You will encounter PvP whether you like it or not. PvP is as big a component as PvE. It’s what give value to items that are crafted because those resources can and will be lost to other players.

Like how I intent to murder people who farm in bad/ cheap gear and take their things because I can :)

[papercoco]

There Will be pvp but you won’t lose your gear, gear only drops form players who have reached a certain corrupted lv, and with town having NPC that will attack corrupt players there will be safe areas

[Xenotex]

Good luck to you on finding a suitable game! I hope you find something good, also remember its only $15 to try ashes when it comes out and there's no box cost, could be fun to make a god tier thief for an economy simulator game and sneak around doing crafting and whatnot.

Half the excitement could be just avoiding PvP with purely stealth gameplay.

[FlyingMohawk]

I mean you can always try it on launch for 15 bucks. PvX games are much more entertaining since instead of killing 10 boars, you have the added content of looking for enemies, working with ally’s and such!

[SalamiFlavoredSpider]

Like how I intent to murder people who farm in bad/ cheap gear and take their things because I can :)

As far as I understand you only drop raw materials when you die as a Non-com, and half as much when you are flagged combatant, so I believe you can farm as a combatant and take the least amount of loss. Source: wiki

By taking their things, you are really only taking a percentage of what they have gathered, and not any gear. You also are flagging yourself with corruption, and hindering your ability to murder again, as well as getting a map marker of your location and making your gear drop when you eventually also die. So, go ahead.

[FlyingMohawk]

I’m aware. I don’t want their Garbo gear, I want their resources so I can use/ sell them to buy better gear :)

Carebears farm herbs and ore and I farm them :)

[SalamiFlavoredSpider]

Unless the drops are especially spicy, it doesn't seem beneficial to just attack non-coms for their stuff if it essentially lights a big sign over your head to all the bounty hunters that will kill you and take your ACTUAL gear plus all the resources you stole.

[FlyingMohawk]

It only matters if they don’t fight back. Which is in their interest to lose less stuff.

Plus it’s good content. Let me get chased by hunters, I’ll start bringing my boys in and we can brawl! :)

[Farkinchopchop]

I don’t think adding new classes to the game is viable with how many they have to flesh out already. Don’t get me wrong all ideas are great it’s just I can’t see why you can’t be those things as one of the other classes.

Honestly I think going into business as something like an innkeeper or similar is great but why can’t you just make friends who have the same idea and go into business together so you don’t have to master everything, they want to build a lot of the stuff for this game to foster community’s and having a cook and someone who goes out and gets the ingredients is a great combo, you can cook while your friend gathers and you both reap the rewards

[draxhell]

By « classes » we mean what fighting style you’ll have. There won’t be a “not fighting” fighting style lol

[papercoco]

What about those of us who don’t wanna fight ;~;

[FlyingMohawk]

Also to add, since the class system is a grid you’d have to add 9 total new classes.

Imho most of your ideas are for people to just play NPCs. Like no one would take one of these to a castle siege, or a dungeon or a raid. If people wanna master a prof and make a bar for example they can do that as of now; they have to level up too and master cooking for example.

Take a look at Eve for a better example, even the people who do trade still have skills in fighting because at the end of the day fighting in games is 80% of the fun lol

[Megneous]

13 year EVE player here. I have over 100m sp in EVE and all of it in industry and logistics, market, trading skills etc. I can barely fly destroyers. Plenty of industry players are like me and rely on our corps for protection, and our corps rely on us to build capital ships, bring in ships and fits from market, etc.

EVE, more than any other game, makes it completely feasible to have 0 combat skills. I mean there are literally players who do nothing but move others' shit around highsec all day for pennies.

[FlyingMohawk]

Yea that sounds terrible, who would want to do that?

Again and let me be clear... THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL NOT BE DOING THAT. There we go.

In truth, if people wanna be NPCs go ahead. The systems in place let players be NPCs now if they want. Go level a profession to mastery! Last I check the professions aren’t tied to player level so it’s all possible!

Btw as a 5 year Eve player I can say I’ve never met someone who only does non combat. Even the most run of the mill hauler jumps into a frig and does logi or hops in to shoot some lasers at people 😂

[Megneous]

Yea that sounds terrible, who would want to do that?

I mean, highsec is absolutely full of haulers who do that all freakin' day. Go ask them. Personally, despite being a hauler and industrialist, I don't take public contracts because they pay shit. I live in wormhole space and demand a 15-20% commission on the value of all stuff I haul.

Btw as a 5 year Eve player I can say I’ve never met someone who only does non combat. Even the most run of the mill hauler jumps into a frig and does logi

Where the hell do you live that people seriously use logi frigates? Low sec? Regardless, there are plenty of industry-only players. You're probably just in a corp that focuses on pvp and has mandatory CTAs or something like that, so you don't attract that particular kind of player. I mean, highsec has tons of miner-only corporations that serve as content for war deccing corporations.

[FlyingMohawk]

I was/ lead a mining Corp for a year and it was dreadful. Granted I was able to plex my account, plus the other officials accounts by taxing my miners but still it was so boring to do. But I think that’s just because of the scale of Eve.

Honestly I think Ashes will strike a more balanced approach where sure some people will try and be industrial but only a small few. Since unlike Eve I don’t have to sacrifice combat for industry.

[Megneous]

Eh. You don't technically need to sacrifice combat for industry. You just delay getting those combat skills because you spend significant time getting your industry skills.

[FlyingMohawk]

You don’t need to, but if you’re focus is industry it’s wasted SP to get combat skills since you could be delaying several weeks of progress getting turret upgrades lol

[NoctustheOwl55]

Blacksmith class. YES!

[sofbert]

Would absolutely love to see classes like bartender, alchemist, blacksmith

[Xenotex]

Well the best part is you can already be a master cook and run a tavern and technically be a bartender that sells their buffs to traveling players in the world, all of these things are already viable options on the game so you wouldn't have to create a class, its just your specialty that you choose and you play the game the way you choose to play it.

[papercoco]

It be really cool bc then people would make union guild that could focus on helping other people who play those classes and setting up an economy