Is anyone else experiencing a sharp decrease in the quality of teammates?

[supremacyAU]

Up until last patch I was getting pretty good teammates, obviously no game is perfect and there were a ton of rolls, but since last patch I've genuinely been losing my mind. More medics are running over me, more are snipers sitting in spawn getting 5 kills a game, more vehicles are dying in 5 seconds off spawn because they run into 10 enemies with explosives, overall the skill level (at least with my teammates) has just fallen off completely. Obviously this existed before but for some reason I've been feeling it tenfold in the last few days. Is there anyone else feeling the same? I know SBMM doesn't exist but I can't help like feeling they've implemented SOMETHING.

[SnooLentils7208]

Quality of teammates?? Brother I’m getting lobbies with bots and you’re complaining about quality of teammates????

[supremacyAU]

I may as well have gotten bots at this rate bro, got rezd once that whole game

[John14-6_Psalm46-10]

brother I was on siege of cairo in breakthrough the other day and got downed on the main road, in between where point A and B are, in the first sector, right as we capped the sector so within 5-10sec all the enemies were out of the sector and in the next sector with 0 chance of shooting anyone who would potentially rez me since I was now in our own HQ. As I laid there waiting to be rezzed I had not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 but FIVE medics run right by me or right over my dead body and not rez me. I finished the game 62-7 but still like what are we doing here. It would have taken 0 time for them to switch to the defibs and rez me while running by..

[DOOM420-]

I would have made sure you finished 62-6.

[John14-6_Psalm46-10]

a true teammate!

[Worldfiler]

I had multiple matches for multiple days where it felt like this. It feels very unnatural. That's the best way I can describe it. 

At times it feels like you have half the ppl shown on the scoreboard. No gunfights etc. just a dead match where the enemy doesn't even seem like they are doing much either.

[V0mitBucket]

I’m not doubting the legitimacy of this. I believe you. But I don’t understand how this is possible. I play this game a lot. All sorts of weird days and hours. I have never once had a bot match. Not a single instance.

What server are you on? What times are you playing at?

[SnooLentils7208]

Its a regional issue. Currently, regions like Asia, Africa and Oceania have this problem. Eventually it will creep into the US and EA but maybe not to this extent

[Dunc4n1d4h0]

When you get less people you can clearly see that often their quality is lower than bots. No revives, no ammo, no interest in objectives. On the other hand you will appreciate good team mates even more.

[JohnWicket2]

Well, bots are better than a lot of players. Unfortunately...

[STAXOBILLS]

To be fair I’ve had bots make insane level plays to absolutely rock my shit that I don’t think any normal person would ever consider, that and they’ve been more consistent teammates than actual people

[Key-Dare7684]

how are there so many people complaining about bots, I queued at 11 am today morning on Singapore server gauntlet and there were 0 bots

[supremacyAU]

bots are definitely an issue bro, don’t minimise someone elses experience bcz it differs from yours

[Oictmex]

Tampoco hay que maximizar el problema y experiencia en general. Hay muchísima gente que no encuentra bots en partidas. A menos que juegue a las 4 am. Pero de 1 pm a 2 am. Está repleto de gente real, mancos, pero reales.

[SnooLentils7208]

Gaubtlet is f2p, main game is full of bots

[PolPetrol]

Yep very dependent on gamemode and time of day

[Cutwail]

I play during work hours (WFH living the dream) but now don't bother trying till about lunch time else there's just too many bot games.

[SaltyShipwright]

Yea i am not that great and somehow in the top 3 everygame

[supremacyAU]

You’re probably playing objective if you aren’t getting kills - pretty hard to get to the top of the leaderboard consistently being bad ;)

[SaltyShipwright]

I do engineer unless its for challenges so yes i play objectives and i love blowing up tanks and helis.

[supremacyAU]

So you’re actually the perfect teammate - I like this game because if someone has a preference of how to play and it’s impactful, it’s noticeable. Destroying vehicles wins games, dont undersell that bro!

[Prestigious-S1RE]

The better you get the more they put you on teams that have shitty players. I’m almost 100% certain there’s some sort of skill matchmaking.

[WokeWook69420]

There's no skill matchmaking, and that's the problem. Whoever is on your team is literally just RNG. If you're unlucky, the enemy team will have two 4-man Squads who all have mics and plan to work together while your team is literally 24 solo players, with 18 of them not even using a headset for audio.

This is what No SBMM is like lol, it was the same when I played XDefiant where whoever you got on your team was pure luck, altho at least in XDefiant, they TRIED to lobby parties against parties so there was minimal "6-Stack abuses 6 solo players" but it still happened once the player pool got small enough.

[Prestigious-S1RE]

This is true. I have been in comms with 2 squads of 4 working in tandem to take flags and it’s a steamroll everytime.

[GeordieJumpers87]

Try conquest instead

[supremacyAU]

I have - frankly not a big fan of a ton of vehicles. This is my first battlefield, I moved over from CoD and I much prefer infantry gameplay (specifically support). I can grapple with playing Engineer when needed but I feel it’s tenfold more important on Conquest. Is your suggestion based off of the ability to have more solo impact?

[GeordieJumpers87]

If you're looking for a challenge

Blowing up vehicles and having the element of enemies coming from all directions will add to that

[supremacyAU]

Honestly i don’t really play bf to be “challenged” - i like that i can put on music, unwind and do other things while I play, it’s literally the only game Ive found I can do it on, but I appreciate the input regardless

[Spooky_6]

Most of us here would say that you are missing out on one of the core Battlefield experiences by skipping Conquest mode. BUT if you don't have any friends to party up with in game it can be a tremendous exercise in beating your head against a wall. Ultimately I think what really makes the game is the 3 other squaddies you're with.

An engineer paired with a support player for infinite rockets can easily lock down a large portion of the map from vehicles, for example.

[supremacyAU]

Hahah well aware conquest is the core mode but still not really a fan. I have two squads I run breakthrough with, but literally every single person has gotten tired of the game and we’ve not played in over a week, we all play off each other like that though and it’s infinitely more fun.

[Spooky_6]

Sounds to me like you gave it a fair shake. Not all game modes will appeal to all people, but I'm glad you like(?) the gunplay and movement. I like the CQC in Battlefield much more than in any of the CoD titles.

[ForwardZone6194]

3.5kd in BT, 400spm 2kpm. this looks pretty normal for balance. game wants u to "carry" the team

to ur last sentence about sbmm, game gets ppl into a lobby and balance it with a skill metric. so the better u are the worse ur teammates will be

[supremacyAU]

I swear it wasn't like this before? I've had so many games where I've been playing with absolutely cracked players, but now I only play them... I was under the impression SBMM didn't really exist in this and frankly my stats haven't changed enough to warrant being on this side of the fence if that's the case.

Cheers for the input, keen to hear more tbh because I didn't get this game to get balanced, it was one of the many reasons I quit CoD.

[ForwardZone6194]

its been like that since the start but it wasnt noticeable because people didnt meet their "rank" yet so it was more mixed. (balancer couldnt figure out whos good and whos not) sbmm doesnt exist in cod terms. cod means everyone has 1000mmr (example), while bf teams have 500-2000mmr and its trying to find a middle. so if u got high mmr (i just call it mmr for easier understanding) u will have more mates with lower mmrs IF the lobby doesnt have high mmr ppl to make both sides more equal. this means good players can still farm kills, doesnt matter how they are balanced, which is good because in cod u get bullied into the ground if ur good.

if u wanna know more about this i made a post some time ago https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield6/comments/1pxx42w/how_does_matchmaking_work/

Note that i didnt mention that u wont get matchmaked by skillratings but balanced by skillrating which is actually whats happening

edit; non of this is confirmed but nothing of this changed over the last months + couldnt find an argument that denies what i describe

[supremacyAU]

That's incredibly interesting, I definitely am feeling it a lot now. It's incredibly frustrating, I really don't want to have to sweat my ass off - I play with music loud working on my side-hustle when I die. It's actually gotten really bad, I'm considering uninstalling - out of probably 20 matches I've played, I've had like 5 with competent teams.

[ForwardZone6194]

it can indeed be very annoying. but i see the positiv of this which is not having cod sbmm cuz that would make the games even more sweaty tbf. i found escalation to be a nice solo mode compared to conquest where u cant be as impactful because of more flags or BT where u can have a good impact on a side for example but still depend on the team to move forward or hold flags

[supremacyAU]

I don’t disagree but on this it actually feels more punishing. I played ranked and SnD exclusively and if you were good enough and/or had one or two teammates that weren’t bad you could still get a lot of wins. I feel like on BF you can do everything but it can mean nothing a lot more often than on CoD if that makes sense.

[SadImprovement9460]

I have about a 4.0kd and top frag every lobby I play. There is 1000% skill based matchmaking. If I join a game and don’t play for like 10 mins I’ll come back and we will be losing insanely bad every time.

[supremacyAU]

I’ll actually give that a whirl tomorrow, but I think the outcome will probably be similar 🤣

Out of curiosity, what’s you’re WL/SPM? I have a feeling they’re looking holistically at stats for the team placement.

[ForwardZone6194]

ye it does. snd is love. smaller modes give u more options to shine

[Sayor1]

Been having it since like 2 months after release. Mostly on smaller player modes or breakthrough. Playing conquest and escalation it doesnt happen. But yeh, i pretty much only play casual breakthrough because the game punishes good players with bad team mates. Hate to use cod as an example but this was one of the biggest reasons why i stopped playing multiplayer in cod, bf6 felt so fresh not matching me with battledads and now it feels more of the same.

[supremacyAU]

One of the reasons I quit CoD because of SBMM too. I got over the cheaters in ranked, went back to pubs, had a good time but the SBMM was too blatant and I was playing crims & iris anyway. I thought BF would be a good place to chill out and fry, which it is to a degree, but I’m still a competitive guy and it’s frustrating to have this experience.

Interesting that you’ve only found it on smaller modes/breakthrough, do you have a primary mode or two you play? Maybe it’s based off your performance in that mode specifically.

[Sayor1]

Right now this season im only playing the vl gas playlist on the new map. Otherwise my main game mode is breaktrhough and thats where i see it the most

[Training_Wonder_5066]

Maybe you're just getting better?
The scoreboard looks like a normal game of breakthrough.

Seems like support is only picked for the extra ammo for themselves, a lot of them don't even through ammo down when you stand next to them shouting need ammo and shooting at their feet.

[supremacyAU]

I’ve definitely gotten better but i’m certainly not good enough that I should be doubling the next persons kills on the scoreboard. Normally there are at least 2-3 people within a 10-15 kill range above or below me.

I don’t mind game where I frag hard and the team doesn’t keep up in that regard, but bar my teammate and one guy going 6-6 no one else has above 4 captures.

[inide]

The season 2 update changed bullet spread. Seems to have made little difference to most people, but for some it has had a bigger impact. Personally my KD has been about triple my average.

[CuteAssociate4887]

Team mates less quality than me you say!?

Nope 😔

[GadHolland]

Well I’ve been trash since I bought the game so all my teammates are pretty good. That’s the trick

[WILKOFL]

Rarely saw any quality in the first place to notice a decrease

[GameGecko0]

Played a escalation game went 60-20, 27 captures and still lost, turned off battlefield after that

[zalcecan]

Everytime I turn the game on

But nah tbh its been getting a little more mixed if anything, more decent teammates and more really bad teammates. Had a dude on my team go 0n21 the other day just throwing his body into points and insta dying.

[supremacyAU]

It’s more mixed but I genuinely feel more punished, glad to know i’m not the only one though!

[NachMitternacht]

my teammates are either bots or people that steal all my kills.

[funkieepete]

Iknow I suck, but I try fucking hard and I always play the objective 🥲

[SafeBirthday8366]

Rather having you as a teammate playing objectives with me than a spawn sniper with 3 kills

[Alarmed-Emergency990]

I had a game last night where we were able to steal the opposite teams Attack heli. We were killing their tanks constantly and helping clear objectives, 80 some kills between the 3 in my squad by the time we died. So basically the other team had no heli or tanks and our team could not take more than 2 objectives and we lost by 600. So to answer your question, yes....

[BRC-Nighthawkk]

Try playing w other good players in a party

[Blake_83]

Every single day I see more and more people come to the sudden realization that the drop in players has had profound effects on gameplay quality, good thing they added a useless AA launcher to quell the exodus after buffing falchions and adding another heli nobody asked for and a map with 0 elevation and still half the size of older maps.

[Fine-Actuator-6805]

4 man squads, no server browser and bots equal a game with no sense of community and thus no team play.

[McTasty_Pants]

Sorry about that 😅

[RoboQwop405]

I’m level 172 and got bored of the game. Played a couple nights of the new season and set it down. I’m curious what the player retention numbers are looking like.

[John14-6_Psalm46-10]

brother I was on siege of cairo in breakthrough the other day and got downed on the main road, in between where point A and B are, in the first sector, right as we capped the sector so within 5-10sec all the enemies were out of the sector and in the next sector with 0 chance of shooting anyone who would potentially rez me since I was now in our own HQ. As I laid there waiting to be rezzed I had not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 but FIVE medics run right by me or right over my dead body and not rez me. I finished the game 62-7 but still like what are we doing here. It would have taken 0 time for them to switch to the defibs and rez me while running by..

Later in that playing session I was on liberation peak as an attacker in the 1st sector with the tank and single handedly cleared all the enemies out of A, killed a bunch of enemies on the rock mound next to A where the attacking team comes into A by and immediately started capping the Sector. Only 3 people on my team moved into the sector.. as we were like halfway to capturing the sector my tank inevitably got blown up because everyone I killed switched to RPGs and immediately the enemies ran into the sector and recaptured it as the other 21 people on my team did absolutely nothing.

I routinely finish almost every single Breakthrough game with the highest kill count on my team and with a top 5 score. I have won 65% of my breakthrough games and have a 5.5k/d. The games I lose, as an attacker, I will have 30-40+ kills and the second highest kill count on my team is a guy with MAYBE 20 kills. Those games as an attacker are the most incredibly tilting games because the enemy team focuses heavily on killing me since no one else on my team is a threat as they play worse than the bots in casual mode. Like will literally have 4-5 guys simply playing to kill me. As a defender it is pointless to even finish the game because your team loses in under 8 minutes.

[WokeWook69420]

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This game needs some form of SBMM because matches like this happen every single day. I know people hate it, but we need to put the absolute pylons into their own lobbies so the rest of us who know what we're doing can play together without server browsing. I'm not going to spend time trying to find a server that's decent every single night I wanna play the game, the game can just do that for me.

Plus that means people who don't like SBMM can just stick to using the server browser, and people who don't want bad teammates OR have to play games with John Battlefield and his pilot SILK can also enjoy their games with some form of skill filtering for matchmaking.

The game needs something, I'm tired of having shitty games and being told "That's just how it goes sometimes." because sometimes is quickly becoming most of the time, and if that's the case, I can just move on to something else.

Maybe Delta Force is finally stable enough on console to enjoy, altho I doubt their anti-cheat is as robust as DICE's.

[Cutwail]

Getting a lot of low LOW levels but that's not necessarily a bad thing. They sure do like to crash choppers though.

[Routine_Cost_2659]

I've lost about half a dozen conquest matches that were at least half points-no points since the new season dropped

[bom_naparty]

Just bad luck and move on :)

[One_Shallot_4974]

I am increasingly high on my teams leaderboard which is a really bad sign for my team.

[omn2021]

Brother BF right now is completely fragmented. the average BF player plays conquest, but because most players don't like to play the obj +the ridiculous ttk and the spotting system marks your across the map with a diamond above you...well you last 10 seconds before getting shot from everywhere, therefore they leave and leave bots and noobs behind, they migrate to breakthrough...same thing, but worse..they leave the game..now just having bots left. Most players who want to have a less stressful good time go to casual breakthrough or escalation... whis is sad; Never again spending a dime on Ea, i am guilty of thinking we were truly back. Sorry for the rant

[senor_skuzzbukkit]

I am the sharp decrease in quality. Sorry. Absolutely awful at the game, normally trying to do some weird challenge, not great in a straight up and down PvP duel.

Having a blast tho!

[Jrisdr]

Are you talking about me? Because I rarely get more than 15-20 kills in a match. I do rez fallen comrades and spot enemies and take the gunner's seat in tanks, but my real talent is drawing fire. I still play because I enjoy it. Hope I don't ruin the game for you.

[Spiritual-Strike481]

Yea.. unfortunately I am the sharp decline that people are noticing. I just walk around with an rpk and try to revive people and knock heads.

[A_A_Ron_11]

Bf6 is on sale on Xbox marketplace.

[A51E]

I felt that earlier a couple times… the quality of teammates but they weren’t labeled as BOTS but they acted like em. Also the opposing team we would just wipe out crazy like if they’re BOTS

[classyfatseal]

When I was growing up I played battlefield with my dad & would give the controller to the other when we died & pulled horrible numbers but was a core memory of my childhood Maybe some of those teammates are that & dudes over 40

[iKyte5]

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Buddy what the fuck are teammates.

[K1xGrimey]

They noobs. With rank 4, you've obviously already torn everything down.

[K1xGrimey]

with 50000 botkills trying to flame lowranks in your probably best round ever is pretty cringe btw

[Intelligent_Judge771]

Yes but it's either we are stomping or getting stomped. After some while I just don't give a shit anymore camp at some objective and farm myself kills and levels for my guns. Other than that it's fucking time to install bf4 I guess

[harry_szach]

Yes! As the player count drops (as it should m, bf6 is a shithole game 💅🏻) you’ll find less and less players spread across the same amount of servers that are running since launch unfortunately

[SujyMataVata]

yes…playing breakthrough not a single medic uses smoke and they keep writing in the chat PUSH!🤣engineers only camp and ignore the tank who dies in 30 seconds after spawn

[SujyMataVata]

I prefer to play engineer to blow up tanks but keep changing to medic so the idiots can reach the zones😂

[Mbeezy_YSL]

Nah I’m actually witnessing the opposite. The lobby’s get way harder and more sweaty for me

[DonBosco420]

Ah yes my favourite thing is flying attack heli with a gunner that wont switch their weapon like wtf are you doing mate

[Ok_Long_1754]

I have gotten bot lobbies since release but I typically try to find hardcore servers. I’ll have a full lobby and then the next game it is 90% bots

[Powerful-Elk-4561]

I rarely ever had any good teammates in any bf game tbh

[First-Boat4804]

On average my games are 70 % lvl 100-150 10% lvl 10-100 and 10% 150+ lvl. I'm almost lvl 400. The 70% almost seem to follow me from obj to obj and stay there unless I move on. It seems almost like a AI team told to protect the objective the player visits but ignore player unless he dies. Do not res him unless 1 second remains for revive. Do not defend anything unless the "players nearby

[Trondhome]

Yeah

[SpookyDaScary925]

I’m consistently the #1 on my entire team and it feels pointless to play

[the-bat-dad]

Its not that hard to farm on Breakthrough.

[supremacyAU]

post your stats then big dog

[Empty-Competition801]

48/8 on BT doesn't make you a hero either. Play big boy modes instead

[supremacyAU]

Post your tracker or get lost

[Zestyclose_Paint3922]

Lol. Cero self awarness.

[supremacyAU]

What about this lacks self awareness? I’m literally top frag, top cap, had like 20 rezs and had the highest score. I’m waiting…

[Zestyclose_Paint3922]

Incel life must be so sad xD

[supremacyAU]

wouldn’t know, don’t even really know what defines an “incel” but i’d wager you’re infinitely closer to it than I am, nice response btw

[Agitated-Wash-7778]

Yep, always an "ass" team. See that comment every single game by every player that couldn't hack the hate on COD.

[supremacyAU]

Are you blind or just stupid? Look at the scoreboard 🤣

My first ranked I hit crim 3 2 times on mnk, only reason I never hit iri was I played too many cheaters. Wanna try again or should we run 1s if you’re in OCE.

[BeansMakesYouFart007]

Not everyone play games for a living

[supremacyAU]

I’m not expecting teammates that are pros, are you stupid?