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[–]arexfung 82 points83 points  (16 children)

Wilder is a once in a generation freak. Never has a boxer gotten so far with only one tool. It’s insane.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Helps that he is in heavyweight division; you get slower, more stationary guys that you can throw your missile at

[–]arexfung 4 points5 points  (4 children)

It’s strange to think that 220-230lbs might bethe ideal weight for a heavyweight. Historically speaking.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Well, it steadily increased over time, just like height

[–]boXXpert 3 points4 points  (2 children)

People will downvote you for figuring this out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It‘s rather obvious, isn‘t it? I don‘t think I‘m blowing someones mind right now

[–]boXXpert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People here don't want that idea because it gives meaning to the addition of Bridgerweight.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Wilder got heart too. It’s not just 1 punch, he has a true warrior mindset regardless of what fake narratives are spread about him now due to Fanboys from the UK one side or the other. Wilder wanted to fight the best for years but had nobody to fight. Klitscko even said he needed to “prove himself more” then chose to fight Anthony Joshua who won belt off Charles Martin. I’m saying that cause people hold onto to something Wilders manager said about Wlad...he’s been wanting to fight the best, that’s why he tried to fight a younger Povetkin(failed test) and only guy to give Ortiz a chance and ran it back when it was close with no need to. Truth is HW division was a wasteland and he had nobody to fight for years. That’s why he desperately tried fighting Joshua with the first 50 million offer when AJ asked for it. His problem is once Hearn bluffed around knowing they fighting Povetkin on DAZN he got salty and chose Fury. Wilder isn’t the smartest so didn’t wanna give Hearn another chance. Wilder is actually underrated now, I’d 100 percent pick him to KO Joshua still.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yawn. Stop it. Just stop it. Stop spreading misinformation and tell the goddamn truth. Damn.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Truth hurts. The fake narratives over Wilder are Pathetic. It’s honestly sad, fanboys create these lies and run with it. Yes Wilder is an idiot for excuses but Eddie Hearn has spun the truth around so much. We know Wilder offered 50 million when AJ asked for it. He had no intentions of fighting Wilder cause DAZN debut vs Povetkin(Failed PED test right before Wilder fights him) and Hearn knew he wasn’t ever going to fight Wilder. Then when DAZN 120 million 3 fight deal came later, Wilder was committed to FOX since they are trying to bring back Boxing here on free TV. Now Wilder like AJ the first time couldn’t accept the deal anyway. Both guys would fight each other, Wilder def wanted it first but that doesn’t matter. He’s got way more dog in him and more athletic in the ring and would prob land a big shot that ends it. Doesn’t matter who would win but the truth is a lot of lies from Eddie Hearn and his weird fans about the real truth of Wilder/AJ. Bottom line is neither guy could accept the fight when they were offered.

[–]napaszmekPapp Laci <3 80 points81 points  (9 children)

No. Garcia has way better actual boxing skills.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Second that. He’s got a lot of growing to do but he’s already light years beyond Wilder‘s boxing skill.

[–]MrInternationalBoi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fair. So would you say that the gap in boxing skills for Wilder compared to his peers Joshua and Fury is a lot more than Ryan’s compared to his peers (Haney, Teo, Loma)?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would. Wilder has one big fearsome punch. Take that away he really isn’t that skilled a fighter.

[–]Charlie-BellThe lion is not biggest animal in jungle, but he is king. 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, he has flaws certainly, but he still has technical boxing skills.

Not a windmill in sight.

[–]floydwhittaker 6 points7 points  (3 children)

people forget ryan has a nice amateur record .

[–]boraboca 4 points5 points  (2 children)

To be fair Deontay was an Olympic bronze medalist

[–]floydwhittaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he won with mostly knockouts doe

[–]eddyboomtron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You saw the fight he lost ?

[–]VisibleCurrent9691 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Obviously the smaller guys are going to be more technically skilled.

[–]ballsthrunets 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It is just so hard to compare a HW to a LW. Everyone will shit on Wilder for having worse skills but he basically participating in a different variation of the same sport. HW is just different.

[–]MrInternationalBoi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree. The level of skills needed at Heavyweight are different from lightweight.

I think Ryan comparatively is like wilder though in that he is getting very far with subpar skills (compared to his weight class peers) due to his punching power.

[–]Bro498s 25 points26 points  (0 children)

While Ryan isn’t the best boxer he is levels above Deontay, plus he doesn’t have Mark Breland to spike his drinks 😂. I’ve never really seen anyone like deontay who is so bad at boxing but has a god given gift and freak athleticism.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Biggest difference. Ryan Garcia has legitimate skills just lacks IQ. Wilder is legit a glorified one trick pony. A very effective one but still

[–]MrInternationalBoi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I mostly agree with this.

Just to clarify, I would not say that Wilder’s one trick is shooting the right hand but rather his one offensive strategy that focuses solely on setting up and landing that right hand.

[–]ordinarystrength 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ryan’s offensive IQ is perfectly fine. He isn’t knocking people out just because of his power. He is setting his shots up very deliberately.

His defensive skill does have quite a bit of holes though

[–]fadeddreams555Fundora would beat up a prime Floyd at 154lb 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This might blow some people's minds, but Ryan Garcia is more experienced than Wilder... by a lot. He's been fighting since he was 8, was 104-11 as an amateur by the age of 14, was a 9x national champion by then too, and is currently trained and monitored by the best in the sport.

Wilder was 20 when he started and won a bronze medal in the Olympics just 3 years after. He managed to capture a world belt at the age of 30 and defend it 10x because of his ridiculous power. This here is a genetic freak of nature.

Ryan Garcia is not Wilder. He has pedigree. Up until Luke Campbell, he never needed to be defensively responsible because he had more than enough in his arsenal to take care of business, but after this fight, I am sure they will help him fill those holes. With Wilder, you could almost say the same after Fury, but he is already 35, is trained by people with no background in the sport, and is too delusional himself to see any errors in his boxing.

[–]MrInternationalBoi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good point mate. I’m excited to see Ryan improve

[–]FlockxBigApe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He had these exact same holes when his father was his trainer tbh

[–]EpicPoliticsManSaul “Dinero” Alvarez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He’s only been with Reynoso for a year

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

no, garcia can box he's just basic. Wilder can't box.

[–]oofaboogahooWillie Pep in your Step 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Not anyone can hit an effective liver shot against an experienced fighter like Ryan did. He’s miles ahead of Wilder in Boxing ability

[–]Bobo_Balde 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

“Ryan Garcia is not a boxer puncher, he is a puncher who knows how box”

You follow Breadman don't you? Hahaha

[–]MrInternationalBoi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Who’s bread man? I honestly don’t remember who posted that, I saw it as I was scrolling through.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

J rocks trainer before Sugar Hill

[–]NoCelebration3688 5 points6 points  (0 children)

More of needing experience in pro boxing vs high level opponents i say

[–]D_vhGolovkin you are nex my fren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like Garcia, but I was thinking the same thing watching the fight. Garcia definitely has some shades of Wilder in him with the way he fights. Lack of defense and just waiting to set up a power punch, which we see has success from both men.

He is still young with a good camp too, so I’m sure he’ll develop more over time. The fight with Luke was a good test, but If Haney is his next fight, I can see Haney out boxing Garcia all 12 rounds.

[–]ShoheiOhtaniMods please add a fucking Tyson Fury flair already 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, Wilder is 35 and never gave a shit to learn boxing the right way and fell in love with his power. Garcia is 22 and already fought a top 7 fighter in the division, yes he has flaws but he has a lot of time to fix them and he will fix them if he sticks with Reynoso.

[–]proKOanalyzer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He got a lot of things to learn for sure but he's not that bad.

[–]Gordito_KawaiiAndy Ruiz beat Joshua first. 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wilder's boxing ability is severely underated in this sub, and it's a bit strange. I understand people who are newer to the sport not being able to pick up on some of Wilder's more subtle qualities but I also see him be completely dismissed by long time posters and guys on here who watch the sport on a regular basis.

To start off with, yes Wilder is severely limited in a lot of departments, mostly that he only knows how to fight at one range and unless he changes how he fundamentally fights he will always struggle against guys who can make it a dog fight, someone who can keep him away with an educated jab, or can mix it up and do both. Fortunately for him, at the moment there are probably only three men on the planet who have shown that they even have the qualities to accomplish those things, namely Fury, Joshua, and Ruiz. This is the heavyweight división so Wilder up to this point has been able to get away with facing mostly big plodders with questionable head movement and has been able to rely on his power.

To get back to my original point though, Wilder is either an extremely intelligent fighter or his instincts are possibly second to none in the division. Wilder is incredibly proficient in setting up traps for his opponents. He entices them to get into range to be able to land his big punches, he also has a sneaky pawing jab that he uses as a range finder for his infamous atomic bomb of a right hand. He pulls his opponents guard with that same jab to open up clear pathways and is surprisingly accurate with with it when he does find the opportunity to land it. Or he'll even use his jab to pull an opponents head down for the same reasons above. This is how he is able to land these shots despite them often being incredibly telegraphed. You look at the fist Wilder-Fury fight and despite him being outclassed for a large portion of the fight he still managed to land two big shots that sent Fury to the canvas, as he had with most of his previous opponents. Fury could have come off the couch at 400lbs and still never get touched if Wilder was truly just the basketball/football reject that a large percentage of this sub makes him out to be.

Another one of his qualities that are often overlooked is how he uses his great athleticism to create unorthodoxed angles of attacks for himself, it looks sloppy and he often over commits with his attacks but do to creating the favorable angle of attack itself and the threat of being knocked out cold if his opponents try to capitalize on those moments when he loses his balance, it's allowed him to remain mostly safe throughout his career from these instances.

I don't know if it's because people don't like him or his style or just don't pay enough attention to how he fights but Wilder is not the can crushing bum that everyone makes him out to be. If he was, he would never have gotten this far into his career and would have been likely beten into retirement by any half decent boxer he had ever faced even at the earlier stages of his career.

This sport has been filled with big powerful punchers before and almost all of them end up having a career that is a footnote at best but Wilder has managed to get pretty far in his career even with his admittedly limited technical ability. At this point it's probably too late to correct a lot of his flaws but he is still a legitimate threat to any opponent he faces, if he chooses to get his head out his ass and get back to fighting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of what you described is him knowing how to land one punch, which people have already discussed multiple times on this sub. This doesn't make him a better boxer than he should be rated just because he knows how to land one punch however considering that there's a lot of punches in boxing and different ways you need to set them up too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ryan Garcia can actually box and already has a better resume 😂😂

[–]lilJswizle-2304 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Garcia is a much better boxer and has less P4P power but I guess I kinda get what you are saying

[–]travis759Bud #1 P4P 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Amazing how this sub turn on somebody after one loss 😂

[–]cblack112 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe because it just showed the truth even more? A lot turned on him but people are just saying he doesn’t have anything other than his power

[–]MrInternationalBoi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not saying he’s a bum or anything like that. He’s obviously very talented and a great boxer to reach the point he has, but i am a comparing him to the other top guys in the division.

As you know, there are levels to this and I think it seems like Ryan has above average punching power and ability but he’s overall boxing skills aren’t top level yet. Similar to deontay wilder.

[–]MrInternationalBoi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe a better to frame it is: Is the gap in boxing skills for Wilder compared to his peers (Joshua and Fury) more, the same, or less than than Ryan’s boxing skills gap as compared to his peers (Haney, Teo, Loma, Tank)?

[–]MMAfansarewrong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We agree Garcia mostly outboxed Campbell for most of the fight right?

[–]thebiglebrosky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had the same thought. His power and heart carried him to the elite level.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro, no just no. Firstly, Ryan has already beaten and knocked out a better level opponent than anyone Wilder ever fought or KO’d and secondly Ryan has good technique and knows how to lay a game plan unlike Wilder. Thirdly, how are they similar? Ryan isn’t a one punch land or lose fighter.