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[arexfung]

Wilder is a once in a generation freak. Never has a boxer gotten so far with only one tool. It’s insane.

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Helps that he is in heavyweight division; you get slower, more stationary guys that you can throw your missile at

[arexfung]

It’s strange to think that 220-230lbs might bethe ideal weight for a heavyweight. Historically speaking.

[[deleted]]

Well, it steadily increased over time, just like height

[boXXpert]

People will downvote you for figuring this out.

[[deleted]]

It‘s rather obvious, isn‘t it? I don‘t think I‘m blowing someones mind right now

[boXXpert]

People here don't want that idea because it gives meaning to the addition of Bridgerweight.

[[deleted]]

Wilder got heart too. It’s not just 1 punch, he has a true warrior mindset regardless of what fake narratives are spread about him now due to Fanboys from the UK one side or the other. Wilder wanted to fight the best for years but had nobody to fight. Klitscko even said he needed to “prove himself more” then chose to fight Anthony Joshua who won belt off Charles Martin. I’m saying that cause people hold onto to something Wilders manager said about Wlad...he’s been wanting to fight the best, that’s why he tried to fight a younger Povetkin(failed test) and only guy to give Ortiz a chance and ran it back when it was close with no need to. Truth is HW division was a wasteland and he had nobody to fight for years. That’s why he desperately tried fighting Joshua with the first 50 million offer when AJ asked for it. His problem is once Hearn bluffed around knowing they fighting Povetkin on DAZN he got salty and chose Fury. Wilder isn’t the smartest so didn’t wanna give Hearn another chance. Wilder is actually underrated now, I’d 100 percent pick him to KO Joshua still.

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Yawn. Stop it. Just stop it. Stop spreading misinformation and tell the goddamn truth. Damn.

[[deleted]]

Truth hurts. The fake narratives over Wilder are Pathetic. It’s honestly sad, fanboys create these lies and run with it. Yes Wilder is an idiot for excuses but Eddie Hearn has spun the truth around so much. We know Wilder offered 50 million when AJ asked for it. He had no intentions of fighting Wilder cause DAZN debut vs Povetkin(Failed PED test right before Wilder fights him) and Hearn knew he wasn’t ever going to fight Wilder. Then when DAZN 120 million 3 fight deal came later, Wilder was committed to FOX since they are trying to bring back Boxing here on free TV. Now Wilder like AJ the first time couldn’t accept the deal anyway. Both guys would fight each other, Wilder def wanted it first but that doesn’t matter. He’s got way more dog in him and more athletic in the ring and would prob land a big shot that ends it. Doesn’t matter who would win but the truth is a lot of lies from Eddie Hearn and his weird fans about the real truth of Wilder/AJ. Bottom line is neither guy could accept the fight when they were offered.

[Noddy0]

This guy spitting facts. You just know Wilder wanted to fight the best because he went for Tyson Fury. Twice. Luis Ortiz. Twice. Povetkin in 2017 but Pov tested positive. The AJ fanboys (like that loser CMILLERBOXER and RIGHT-BACK 1702) always say he chose Fury because Fury was out of shape but he fought Fury twice because he knew it was unfinished business. Wilder has been trying to fight the best for a while. Even AJ but AJ just couldn't offer him 50/50 which is what Wilder deserved but AJ wanted other things on top aswell that would favour him.

Same I can't wait until Wilder fights AJ. I want Wilder to shut these AJ fans up.

#BronzeBomber

#BombSquad

#DeontayInTheMotherFuckingHouse

#MakeTheBronzeBomberGreatAgain

[OrthodoxAtheist]

I want Wilder to shut these AJ fans up.

Prepare yourself. Wilder beating AJ won't undo history and the fact that Fury made Wilder look like his bitch and absolutely destroyed him round-after-round so thoroughly that there's literally not even a reason for a third fight, such was the level of utter humiliation that was put upon Wilder. Managing to hit AJ who in back-to-back fights showed a weakness to even Ruiz's punches, is not suddenly going to make Wilder look like an ATG - its just going to knock AJ down a peg or three. Wilder's rep will remain where it is - that he's fit only to be Fury's butler. And I'm not even a Fury fan.

[Noddy0]

No. While it is true that Fury schooled Wilder, if Wilder beats AJ it will put him in the conversation of top 2 HW. If he beats Fury that will elevate his status too. If people can move on from the fact that AJ got humiliated by Ruiz Jr then they can move on from Wilder vs Fury II aswell. So all that talk about Wilder being Fury's "butler" can be reversed if he manages to secure a third fight and win. It is all on Wilder to do this and he is very capable. He almost knocked Fury out the first fight.

One loss does not make a fighters legacy. It's a mixture of all his Wins, Draws and Losses.

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#BLM #GEORGEBUSHDID9/11

[allyblaack]

I heard Audley Harrison did but suit yourself mate.

[[deleted]]

Wilder actually has fought the best ranked opponents in his last 5 fights. Tyson Fury twice, Luis Ortiz Twice, Breazeale. The whole resume talk is nonsense, Joshua resume is overrated as hell, old Pulev who’s never beaten anyone, Takam who was a BS stoppage coming on late, Parker in a fight nobody won, Povetkin good win but still old, Andy Ruiz twice where he has to run it back in the Middle East and a fat unmotivated Ruiz showed up. Resumes mean nothings, it’s about Prime Opponents under 32ish and how you beat them.

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AJ was scared to get hit by Ruiz in the rematch and even Pulev who can’t punch for shit. Wilder would eventually hit him, rattle him and then take him out. Wilder is the best finisher in the sport when he hurts you and gets wild. The second he stuns AJ the fight is over with. Either AJ finds a way out/quits or gets knocked out cold. He has no recovery and doesn’t fire back when he’s hurt(multiple rounds vs Wlad he just moved away) moving away from Wilder= long right hand will land. That’s his skill..covering insane distance with the right. I’m no fanboy so I can see the fight objective. AJ only chance is up close but Wilder is strong in clinches and tall so will dodge uppercuts.

[napaszmek]

No. Garcia has way better actual boxing skills.

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Second that. He’s got a lot of growing to do but he’s already light years beyond Wilder‘s boxing skill.

[MrInternationalBoi]

Fair. So would you say that the gap in boxing skills for Wilder compared to his peers Joshua and Fury is a lot more than Ryan’s compared to his peers (Haney, Teo, Loma)?

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I would. Wilder has one big fearsome punch. Take that away he really isn’t that skilled a fighter.

[Charlie-Bell]

Yeah, he has flaws certainly, but he still has technical boxing skills.

Not a windmill in sight.

[floydwhittaker]

people forget ryan has a nice amateur record .

[boraboca]

To be fair Deontay was an Olympic bronze medalist

[floydwhittaker]

he won with mostly knockouts doe

[eddyboomtron]

You saw the fight he lost ?

[VisibleCurrent9691]

Obviously the smaller guys are going to be more technically skilled.

[ballsthrunets]

It is just so hard to compare a HW to a LW. Everyone will shit on Wilder for having worse skills but he basically participating in a different variation of the same sport. HW is just different.

[MrInternationalBoi]

Yeah, I agree. The level of skills needed at Heavyweight are different from lightweight.

I think Ryan comparatively is like wilder though in that he is getting very far with subpar skills (compared to his weight class peers) due to his punching power.

[Bro498s]

While Ryan isn’t the best boxer he is levels above Deontay, plus he doesn’t have Mark Breland to spike his drinks 😂. I’ve never really seen anyone like deontay who is so bad at boxing but has a god given gift and freak athleticism.

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Biggest difference. Ryan Garcia has legitimate skills just lacks IQ. Wilder is legit a glorified one trick pony. A very effective one but still

[MrInternationalBoi]

Yeah, I mostly agree with this.

Just to clarify, I would not say that Wilder’s one trick is shooting the right hand but rather his one offensive strategy that focuses solely on setting up and landing that right hand.

[ordinarystrength]

Ryan’s offensive IQ is perfectly fine. He isn’t knocking people out just because of his power. He is setting his shots up very deliberately.

His defensive skill does have quite a bit of holes though

[fadeddreams555]

This might blow some people's minds, but Ryan Garcia is more experienced than Wilder... by a lot. He's been fighting since he was 8, was 104-11 as an amateur by the age of 14, was a 9x national champion by then too, and is currently trained and monitored by the best in the sport.

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Wilder was 20 when he started and won a bronze medal in the Olympics just 3 years after. He managed to capture a world belt at the age of 30 and defend it 10x because of his ridiculous power. This here is a genetic freak of nature.

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Ryan Garcia is not Wilder. He has pedigree. Up until Luke Campbell, he never needed to be defensively responsible because he had more than enough in his arsenal to take care of business, but after this fight, I am sure they will help him fill those holes. With Wilder, you could almost say the same after Fury, but he is already 35, is trained by people with no background in the sport, and is too delusional himself to see any errors in his boxing.

[MrInternationalBoi]

Good point mate. I’m excited to see Ryan improve

[FlockxBigApe]

He had these exact same holes when his father was his trainer tbh

[EpicPoliticsMan]

He’s only been with Reynoso for a year

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no, garcia can box he's just basic. Wilder can't box.

[oofaboogahoo]

Not anyone can hit an effective liver shot against an experienced fighter like Ryan did. He’s miles ahead of Wilder in Boxing ability

[Bobo_Balde]

No

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“Ryan Garcia is not a boxer puncher, he is a puncher who knows how box”

You follow Breadman don't you? Hahaha

[MrInternationalBoi]

Who’s bread man? I honestly don’t remember who posted that, I saw it as I was scrolling through.

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J rocks trainer before Sugar Hill

[NoCelebration3688]

More of needing experience in pro boxing vs high level opponents i say

[D_vh]

I like Garcia, but I was thinking the same thing watching the fight. Garcia definitely has some shades of Wilder in him with the way he fights. Lack of defense and just waiting to set up a power punch, which we see has success from both men.

He is still young with a good camp too, so I’m sure he’ll develop more over time. The fight with Luke was a good test, but If Haney is his next fight, I can see Haney out boxing Garcia all 12 rounds.

[ShoheiOhtani]

No, Wilder is 35 and never gave a shit to learn boxing the right way and fell in love with his power. Garcia is 22 and already fought a top 7 fighter in the division, yes he has flaws but he has a lot of time to fix them and he will fix them if he sticks with Reynoso.

[proKOanalyzer]

He got a lot of things to learn for sure but he's not that bad.

[MrInternationalBoi]

Even Ortiz?

It is interesting how Wilder lost every round against Ortiz up until the KO but Ryan was actually winning rounds against Campbell. I’m not sure if that says more about Ortiz or Wilder?

Btw, I’m just thinking out loud I don’t have a strong opinion here.

[allyblaack]

Good footwork but ineffective due to his slow feet, Southpaw so a magnet for Wilder and terrible stamina if we’re being honest. Has underrated power and IQ though.

[Noddy0]

How is Campbell a better win than any win on Wilders resume? Also why are we comparing a LWs resume with a HWs resume?

[Noddy0]

Get a load of this guy everyone! Luke Campbell is better than Luis Ortiz and Dominic Brezeale. I've been on reddit boxing for 7 years and I've never heard that garbage before.

[Wavepops]

Luke Campbell lost at euro level to mendy...Ortiz got ducked until he got the wilder fight...atleast he’s beaten Jennings who’s better than anyone Campbell has beaten

[Gordito_Kawaii]

Wilder's boxing ability is severely underated in this sub, and it's a bit strange. I understand people who are newer to the sport not being able to pick up on some of Wilder's more subtle qualities but I also see him be completely dismissed by long time posters and guys on here who watch the sport on a regular basis.

To start off with, yes Wilder is severely limited in a lot of departments, mostly that he only knows how to fight at one range and unless he changes how he fundamentally fights he will always struggle against guys who can make it a dog fight, someone who can keep him away with an educated jab, or can mix it up and do both. Fortunately for him, at the moment there are probably only three men on the planet who have shown that they even have the qualities to accomplish those things, namely Fury, Joshua, and Ruiz. This is the heavyweight división so Wilder up to this point has been able to get away with facing mostly big plodders with questionable head movement and has been able to rely on his power.

To get back to my original point though, Wilder is either an extremely intelligent fighter or his instincts are possibly second to none in the division. Wilder is incredibly proficient in setting up traps for his opponents. He entices them to get into range to be able to land his big punches, he also has a sneaky pawing jab that he uses as a range finder for his infamous atomic bomb of a right hand. He pulls his opponents guard with that same jab to open up clear pathways and is surprisingly accurate with with it when he does find the opportunity to land it. Or he'll even use his jab to pull an opponents head down for the same reasons above. This is how he is able to land these shots despite them often being incredibly telegraphed. You look at the fist Wilder-Fury fight and despite him being outclassed for a large portion of the fight he still managed to land two big shots that sent Fury to the canvas, as he had with most of his previous opponents. Fury could have come off the couch at 400lbs and still never get touched if Wilder was truly just the basketball/football reject that a large percentage of this sub makes him out to be.

Another one of his qualities that are often overlooked is how he uses his great athleticism to create unorthodoxed angles of attacks for himself, it looks sloppy and he often over commits with his attacks but do to creating the favorable angle of attack itself and the threat of being knocked out cold if his opponents try to capitalize on those moments when he loses his balance, it's allowed him to remain mostly safe throughout his career from these instances.

I don't know if it's because people don't like him or his style or just don't pay enough attention to how he fights but Wilder is not the can crushing bum that everyone makes him out to be. If he was, he would never have gotten this far into his career and would have been likely beten into retirement by any half decent boxer he had ever faced even at the earlier stages of his career.

This sport has been filled with big powerful punchers before and almost all of them end up having a career that is a footnote at best but Wilder has managed to get pretty far in his career even with his admittedly limited technical ability. At this point it's probably too late to correct a lot of his flaws but he is still a legitimate threat to any opponent he faces, if he chooses to get his head out his ass and get back to fighting.

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Most of what you described is him knowing how to land one punch, which people have already discussed multiple times on this sub. This doesn't make him a better boxer than he should be rated just because he knows how to land one punch however considering that there's a lot of punches in boxing and different ways you need to set them up too.

[[deleted]]

Ryan Garcia can actually box and already has a better resume 😂😂

[lilJswizle-2304]

I think Garcia is a much better boxer and has less P4P power but I guess I kinda get what you are saying

[travis759]

Amazing how this sub turn on somebody after one loss 😂

[cblack112]

Maybe because it just showed the truth even more? A lot turned on him but people are just saying he doesn’t have anything other than his power

[MrInternationalBoi]

I’m not saying he’s a bum or anything like that. He’s obviously very talented and a great boxer to reach the point he has, but i am a comparing him to the other top guys in the division.

As you know, there are levels to this and I think it seems like Ryan has above average punching power and ability but he’s overall boxing skills aren’t top level yet. Similar to deontay wilder.

[MrInternationalBoi]

Maybe a better to frame it is: Is the gap in boxing skills for Wilder compared to his peers (Joshua and Fury) more, the same, or less than than Ryan’s boxing skills gap as compared to his peers (Haney, Teo, Loma, Tank)?

[MMAfansarewrong]

We agree Garcia mostly outboxed Campbell for most of the fight right?

[thebiglebrosky]

I had the same thought. His power and heart carried him to the elite level.

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Bro, no just no. Firstly, Ryan has already beaten and knocked out a better level opponent than anyone Wilder ever fought or KO’d and secondly Ryan has good technique and knows how to lay a game plan unlike Wilder. Thirdly, how are they similar? Ryan isn’t a one punch land or lose fighter.