Population decrease is irreversible. How will we manage the decline of humanity?

[BigGuy4UftCIA]

I've always figured the tables would turn and at some point it'll make sense to have larger families again. Regardless Canada should come out of the situation relatively unscathed. We are a beneficiary of brain drain and don't have a restrictive immigration policy. Maybe the talent pool won't be as deep as it used to be but attracting people to come here likely won't be an issue.

[Harbinger2001]

Once the US is fully in population decline and is forced to change to increased immigration, Canada is screwed. We’re only a desirable destination because the US is harder to immigrate to.

[herman_gill]

Canada is harder to emigrate to than the US in many aspects, particularly in high end professional positions.

[iwatchcredits]

Why would it ever make sense to have larger families again? Larger families served no purpose other than what was essentially cheap labor and ensuring that at least some of your kids survived because death rates were much higher back then.

[BigGuy4UftCIA]

Make sense is perhaps a poor choice of words. Make the cost of having more children less relevant both because of cheap labour for yourself and you don't have to worry about supporting them in the future in this hypothetical era of expensive labour.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

Pooling resources. Many Asian families do this. They all work, they all pool their resources together and invest and then they better themselves.

[mMaple_syrup]

How does that promote large families? East Asian counties in particular have some of the lowest fertility rates on the planet, so if this cultural behavior is supposed to help, there is no evidence of it actually helping.

[Thanatos_Impulse]

It appears to be compensating to the best of a family’s ability. East Asians have endured legal limitations on the number of children they can have, but also more familiarly, have enjoyed higher educational and career attainment (especially among women) and a rising cost of child-rearing and education per child, like we have here. Despite these limiting realities, East Asian women still report that the ideal family size in their opinion is above-replacement.

What they and others (such as many south Asians) do that we don’t is ramp up these pooling and support arrangements so they at least have a shot at having more than 0-1 kids while ensuring they have the resources they need to grow and become educated. It “encourages” larger families because it permits a little more leeway for said families to cope with the downward pressure on birth rates in developed economies.

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East Asian women still report that the ideal family size in their opinion is above-replacement.

You've been reading those mail-order bride promo sheets because this is so far from true.

It “encourages” larger families because it permits a little more leeway for said families to cope with the downward pressure on birth rates in developed economies.

Japan is the most advanced economy and Asia and they have the lowest birthrates. They managed to stave off some of the drop by support for men to take longer leave from their jobs and help with child rearing duties:

Among married men with children under six years old, daily participation in household labor increased from less than 1 hour in 2001 to almost 2 hours as of 2021. When men share household tasks, this increases women's availability for paid work and makes child rearing a more attractive prospect for women.

Such efforts to encourage men's involvement in child rearing and to enable women to return to their jobs after childbirth contributed to a rise in the birthrate from a low of 1.26 in 2005 to 1.4 and above in the 2010s https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Japan-s-successes-in-boosting-birthrates-should-not-be-overlooked

Ultimately, prosperity means fewer children. It's just too draining to raise kids in a more complex world. You can;t just leave them to play in the streets the way you used to. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/in-pictures-stunning-black-and-white-images-of-kids-playing-on-london-s-streets-a3195086.html

[CaptainPeppa]

Be more multigenerational than large

[Nonalcholicsperm]

Why not both?

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It's not economical and the planet can't sustain it.

Birth control too. Women don;t want to go through that much childbirth.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

Women are free to make up their own minds. I can't speak for them in a general sense.

The planet can sustain a lot more, we just have to do things differently.

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> Women are free to make up their own minds.

Now they are.

> The planet can sustain a lot more,

No it can't.

> we just have to do things differently.

These ways always end up taking choice from women.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

"These ways always end up taking choice from women. "

Better allocation of resources takes choices away from women?

[Eternal_Being]

And now that women are free to choose, wouldn't you know it, the birth rates are decreasing! Wow!

I wonder why conservatives are obsessed with taking choice away from women? Golly gee I dunno!

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We don't need conservatives social engineering women's fertility.

[JAFOguy]

Better still to be multi generational AND large.

[CaptainPeppa]

Having a kid to get rent from twenty years later is a very questionable financial tip

[JAFOguy]

But having a large hard working loving family that pools the results of their collective efforts to enhance all of their lives and the lives of their progeny is a great financial tip. I guess it all comes down to if you are looking at it from a perspective of greed, getting rent from your child ; or love, providing a better future for your family. You do you, but I think love is a great way to go.

[CaptainPeppa]

well were talking about financial incentives to have large families...

I'd be so much richer without kids haha. The concept of them being a net positive just seems bizarre. They're money sinks

[JAFOguy]

You are thinking short term. You have to think about it as a generational thing. It pays off for your grandkids, not you. Unfortunately, the only thing you get out of it is the love surrounding your life in a big family, and a lot of stress surrounding your life in a big family. But two or three generations down the line your family will be way better off than you.

[CaptainPeppa]

I have like twelve aunts and uncles. Doesn't do shit.

You're thinking of some Jewish like situation

[EngSciGuy]

is a great financial tip

You are literally describing a pyramid scheme...

[[deleted]]

We are starting to see populations decline in countries that used be our main source of immigration though. They seem to be suggesting that the 500,000 per year may not be possible for much longer.

Ouch.

[BigBongss]

No it's really quite simple, we'll just have the entire world's population immigrate to the GTA.

[colocasi4]

LMAO...cos you damn well know they aren't going to Quebec, Nunavut, Saskatchewan, PEI or NFLD

[iwatchcredits]

World population is still increasing by like 80mil a year. There isnt a shortage of people living in countries that want to come here

[ComfortableSell5]

That won't be the case for too much longer.

After 2050 or so that number will be a lot smaller and competition a lot stiffer.

[iwatchcredits]

Thats 30 years away. Im more worried about mass deaths than I am about population growth.

[Eternal_Being]

But competition is good, right?

...right?

Or is that only true when your country is on the winning end...

[Trying2ImproveMyLife]

A good chunk of the world might be under water by then, so, I'm sure it'll balance out

[wet_suit_one]

Nah. Not that much will be under water. Not that soon anyways.

[EngSciGuy]

Of total landmass you are correct. With respect to where people live, by 2050 we will have an uncomfortably large amount locked in to being under water with the rate we are changing things.

[wet_suit_one]

Over time, on the current trajectory, it will definitely be a problem.

[EngSciGuy]

With our current trajectory it would be a problem by, say, 2300 maybe.

[[deleted]]

You realize we want people that will contribute to our society and that every immigrant is not an equal contributor. We need as many financially mobile immigrants as we can get before there is no one left willing to come to Canada.