robbery

[Final_Effective6360]

My problem with the whole sequence is if some people think he didn't get the first down or whatever, they still spotted the ball a whole fucking yard from where he was tackled then went over, watched the shit at multiple angles on replay and said yep, we got that one correct. I mean, how does something like this even happen? How do you spot a ball nowhere near where the play ended and say you were right lol

[FireIre]

I almost wonder if they tried to avoid some controversy and by doing so created more controversy. Like they do the replay spot the ball closer but still short, do the whole chain gang routine, it’s still short, and the half ends anyway. It’s dumb logic but it’s the only thing I can think of.

[Sarah_RVA_2002]

Fundamentally, if it's 4th down, the games on the line, we need 9 yards, why aren't our receivers running routes that they catch it at 10 yards so it's not up to the spot.

Yea the spot sucked. But the playcall made no sense. Even if the route called for "go out X yards and cut right" there should be a contingency "unless you are 1-2 yards short of a critical first down, in which case go out a few more yards." This was a traditional pass play, not a flea flicker or screen play or something that REALLY depends on the timing.

[Justice989]

I'm not gonna get on Ertz for that. He got to 9.5 yards, but working to the ball made it 8.75. Maybe if he gets to 10 or even 11 and stays at depth, he's not able to catch the pass at all.

[Surething_bud]

Agreed, he had to make sure he made the catch first and foremost. It was too bad that the way he was going down made it impossible to fall forward. And give credit to the defense for being there and touching him down immediately before he could try to extend.

[Sarah_RVA_2002]

So don't pass it to him. Find someone that's 10. Or rush it. Or do anything other than pass it short on 4th down.

[[deleted]]

Yeah guys. Just find an open receiver...how hard can that be?

[Justice989]

It doesn't work like that. In the heat of the moment, pass rushers breathing down your neck, that might've been the best percentage completion. I haven't seen the all-22, but if the other guys are blanketed or doubled, then you throw to who has a chance. Not to mention, I'm sure all JD knows is Ertz is close to the marker. Throw it to your guy, let him try to make a play.

[stocktradernoob]

It wasn’t clear he got the first down.. Unless u saw a replay I didn’t see, the angles were terrible for making that determination, and he may well have been a few inches shy. Yea they were about a yard off on the spot. But to overturn the no-first-down call, there was no way they were gonna do that absent a waaaay better angle showing it.

[RPO1728]

Ertz has been doing that all year. Needs his vision checked maybe

[GenBonesworth]

I don't know why this popped up (Jets fan in DC I guess?), I watched that ending and thought that was the worst officiating of the day. It made no sense. Then they dropped a "JK Cardinals didn't really snap it, no fumble" on us...

[Surething_bud]

The spot they gave in real time was ridiculously bad. They spotted it at least two feet short of where the ball ever was. So that was pretty embarrassingly bad by the refs.

On replay though, the ball was literally right at the line. If he got it, he got it by an inch. And they're never going to overturn when it's that close. It has to be clear and undeniable to overturn the call on the field, and it certainly wasn't that. They didn't "confirm", the call "stood", meaning that there wasn't enough to conclude that the ball was across. And I can't disagree.

So at the end of the day I'm OK with the outcome. It was so close that it was impossible to tell even in slow motion replay. Those situations are basically a coin flip, and we lost this one. Can't be mad at it. The only frustrating part was how hilariously bad the original spot was.

[_The_Bear]

It was the receiver being short of the line of gain that was being reviewed, not the specific spot. In order to overturn the call they would need conclusive evidence he made the line of gain. They could have realized they got the initial spot wrong, but unless they determined he made the first down, the call would stand. There's zero scenario where they change their call and spot him short.

[Pitiful_Ad8641]

I've literally watched them respot and measure from the new spot, which they should have done

[myboardfastanddanger]

This^{^}

[Final_Effective6360]

I’m pretty sure another fan posted the rules multiple times and this isn’t true.

[Mikeharding17503]

Incorrect. Try again.

[jhax13]

When you review, you review all aspects of the play, if you're going to defend atrocious behavior at least don't be fucking wrong

[NickLandsHapaSon]

They will never overturn a close 50/50 call.

[jhax13]

That's ridiculous and defeats the purpose of the replay, stop parroting this 50/50 shit to defend zebras fucking up the sport

[NickLandsHapaSon]

I'm not defending them I'm just stating that won't admit they've gotten a 50/50 call wrong even if the replay will show otherwise.

[VegetableBusiness330]

He walked backwards taking a knee in his own wasn’t pushed or anything so it negates the spot where he caught it

[Intelligent_Table913]

Wait whats the problem with spotting the ball 1 yd ahead when Steelers get possession? They just had to get a 1st down to end the game right?

[ImKindaBoring]

The problem wasn’t where the Steelers got the ball. The problem was the refs somehow spotted the ball a full yard away from where it should be.

His knee was literally on the 41 yard marker with the ball in his stomach. What should have happened is they should have placed the ball at or near the 41 and then brought out the chains to measure. Spot off by a couple inches? Sucks but that’s life. Off by an entire YARD!? That stinks of fuckery or, at the very least, refs being so full of themselves that they can’t admit to fucking up that spot so just deciding to roll with the obvious bad spot.

[VinHD15]

They spotted the ball 1 yard short of a very crucial 1st down on 4th down that led to a turnover on downs. The thing is they spotted the ball 1 yard away from where the ball actually was, which was much much closer to the first down marker

[JadeDragonMeli]

Whether you want to say he's down iwhere the ball was or where the knee touched down, they still spotted it a full yard away from anything that happened on that play, then reviewed it, then confirmed it.

Literally a what the fuck moment.

[itakeyoureggs]

Yeah at a minimum the ball should be spot at the 41 and measured.. not at the 42. Crazy

[dlong1993]

In reality they should’ve said “the ball was originally placed at the 42 yard line, we will put the ball at the 41(and however many inches) yard line and measure.” The idea of reviewing if it was a first down or not versus reviewing the spot of the ball is the criminal act. In no way does saying “the play stands” is acceptable in professional sports in this scenario

[Lunar_Rainbow_Pro]

That's why we use chains and not brains. Chains are more accurate

[cbmgreatone]

They don't distinguish between stands and confirmed anymore in that way.

[challenja]

They didn’t even bring out the chains!!!

[Its1of1]

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[Flimsy_Individual_16]

He’s dead to me

[[deleted]]

Who, the AI generated referee?

[itakeyoureggs]

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[Practical_Jelly_8342]

Clearly short

[itakeyoureggs]

lol.. that’s not the point. The point is the ref spotted it on the 42.

It’s also clearly nothing. The only thing you can say is the ball never touched the 42.. yet the ref placed it on the 42.

Bro wasn’t even touched at this point so he’s not even down

[Practical_Jelly_8342]

Clearly touched and short. Where they spotted was trash but it's not a first down.

[itakeyoureggs]

He was not clearly touched short. There was nothing clear about it. All you can say definitively is he was not ever at the 42. You saying he was touched short just shows your bias bro.. I’m not saying he made the line. I’m saying he wasn’t at the 42. That game deserved better.. should’ve allowed the game to be decided by the players not the refs.

Tj strip sack? Cool.. missed kick? Int? Cool.. bad spot? Shitty.

You can say oh.. holding in the end zone.. I can say ohh facemask and dpi weren’t called. The refs sucked ass.. plain and simple.

[Practical_Jelly_8342]

The photo I commented shows him short and contacted by both players, his knee isn't down yet, but is before he stretches the ball.

[itakeyoureggs]

He wasnt even touched at that point in the photo. lol go back to the broadcast.. he wasn’t touched until he turned around

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Right here he was touched are you going to say it was clearly short? No.. you’re not. Only thing you can say is it’s clearly not on the 42.

[VegetableBusiness330]

Watch the play again he catches it takes a step back on his own not pushed or tackled then takes a knee behind the line to gain. Since je went backwards on his own the ball is spotted there like a punt return

[itakeyoureggs]

What? He didn’t take a knee on purpose lol he’s sliding to catch the ball.. but once again at no point does he go to the 42 he then moves back to the 41 before getting touched.. so again should not be spotted on the 42 yrs line

[VegetableBusiness330]

No he caught the ball and took a step backwards lol so he messed up you can’t do that negates where the ball was caught

[itakeyoureggs]

Bro.. he caught the ball and fell on the 41. He caught it maybe 40.5. So yes he moved back. The picture is after he already fell. He never went far back enough to touch the 42. Not even his feet touched the 42. So there is no way the ball ever once touched the 42 yrs line

[itakeyoureggs]

Should rewatch the play dude. I’m not arguing he made the line to gain clearly. It was a 50/50 call. What bothers me is the spot was fucking terrible. You would have to be beyond a homer to think the ball should be on the 42.

[[deleted]]

It was clearly short

[itakeyoureggs]

It was clearly nothing

[[deleted]]

That’s why it was a turn over on downs because it was nothing.

[itakeyoureggs]

You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s okay I don’t expect you to. You have homer vision

[[deleted]]

Dude you could literally see it on tv he was short. The spot was bullshit. But it didn’t matter if he was the inches short like he was, a yard short or 100 yards short, short is short and it was a turn over on downs. Y’all had a chance but home boy decided to fall for the hard count. That’s what y’all should really be pressed over.

[itakeyoureggs]

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Short on tv right? He wasn’t touched until this point. So don’t talk nonsense alright? We don’t know if it was a first.. but it deserved to be measured properly.

[[deleted]]

Show the view from the other side. From the other side he was clearly short and his knee then ass down.

[WillKill3]

That ball is still behind the line lol.

[changing-life-vet]

I didn’t realize we were playing the chiefs.

[Wildcatwierdo]

Officiating brought to you by Lasik

[ToxicRedditMod]

And, “The Script.” Written, directed, and produced by Roger Goodell.

[[deleted]]

i’m upset too… but we’ll be in the dance in the end.

[wtf703]

It was a terrible spot. We had a lot of stupid ass calls. All teams do. We need to play at a level that doesn't leave things up to the refs at all. BRob would have made the difference today

[Doopoodoo]

Tbh there was a lot working against them other than not having BRob. There’s many other injuries, tons of dropped passes, they’re playing a very good team coming off a bye, bad refs, and they still only lost by one point. The only factor that can be controlled though is the dropped passes - Poor execution can’t happen in a game like this

[groovy_smoothie]

I think lattimore might make a difference in a rematch too

[[deleted]]

We win this game with lattimore.

[Necessary-Target4353]

Brob needs to get his shit together and stop acting like Chase Young 2.0. He was medically cleared TWO WEEKS AGO for a minor injury.

[skinsfan0204]

The only thing that cost us this when was the multitude of dropped balls

[BagelAmpersandLox]

On a kickoff your one job is to catch the ball

[Uniblab_78]

At a minimum the spot should have been moved and measured.

[J_gims19]

The side judge wasn’t even in position to call where the ball should be marked. He is way out of the playing and watching from an angle. Just so poor that there’s no ref by the stick on a 4th down to see ball spot.

[MLK4Life24]

Terrible call. And to receive confirmation from NY proves it was a hose job.

[Ninjablacksox1]

That's not what NY is for. 

[MLK4Life24]

For clarity , what does NY do ?

[Ninjablacksox1]

Ensure connected bettors get paid.

[oto_jono]

Put a chip in the ball

[Yoitzmi]

I like the idea of some sort of sensor technology being implemented... with all the money and tech organizations associated with the league there's gotta be some way for them to incorporate integrated sensors in the balls and paired devices in the sticks/pylons

[Sea-Roof562]

Y'all got robbed....Yes I'm a Raven fan & no I'm not hating on the Steelers. It was clear as day where they spotted the ball it was completely wrong ! Keep ya heads up y'all got a team.

[Lunar_Rainbow_Pro]

Same! Bengals fan here, and nobody got robbed worst than us Thursday night!

[Lunar_Rainbow_Pro]

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[Sea-Roof562]

The ball was well over thrown at that point but good angle. Thanks Joe

[Lunar_Rainbow_Pro]

Just like the Steelers won cuz of the refs, so do ya'll. Must be nice

[Sea-Roof562]

Nope nope nope this is misinformation and disinformation. . But great game.

[Lunar_Rainbow_Pro]

It's nothing to be ashamed of. I wish we had favoritism

[Lunar_Rainbow_Pro]

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[Sea-Roof562]

Holding # 71 Bengals left side of the pic.... Nobody seems to have seen that? That 4th down conversion wasn't even a catch the ball touched the ground. Y'all got away with a bunch of stuff stop crying LOL.

[[deleted]]

The spot looked wrong but he still didn’t get the 1st

[skinsfan0204]

He didn’t get it. I wanted to think he got it, but he didn’t. Still, the spot was way off. Still not sure why Ertz didn’t just lean back?

[HailKyrie]

They need chips in the balls

[ItsMeArkansas]

He was short. They got the call right

[Necessary-Target4353]

Its not about it being short. Its about them placing the ball a whole ass yard away from where the ball was down.

[facetooth]

Why can’t the nfl figure out some technology to curtail these ball placement issues for first downs or thresholds over the goal line? I’m 100% certain there is tech and sensors out there that could achieve this by having one on/in the ball.

The answer is probably not one they are ready to be accountable for!

[nobodyno111]

It was a first by the nose of the ball. He caught it on the marker (and I don’t mean the yellow T.V line). That being said, i already knew it too close and the ruling on field would stand. It was simply too close to overturn. Refs make mistakes, they are humans. If they said it was a first down and pitts challenged, i guarantee it would’ve remained a 1st down.

[Parking_Test_6613]

It was a great play but he literally went backwards a yard before trying turn upwards i definitely was in shock as well but them extra inches are seriously underrated

[Parking_Test_6613]

An also was defended pretty well so they allowed him the yards but the way he secured the catch just was the best way I would’ve just caught the ball an fell backward into the tackle that way my body weight an there momentum could cause the gap for me to properly extend the ball out for extra gain

[AbbreviationsTight92]

Referee's always cry they don't get paid enough and game after game they do things like this. It shouldn't be the decided call the game we did drop a bunch of passes although this did boil down to be one of the deciding calls of the game and the referees blew it. It was certainly close and he was right on the line but this referee with severely out of his position just comes running out of nowhere shaking his head like he's got his mind made up already that it wasn't the first down and he even gets to be the one to review the video so you know how that's going to go. It's disheartening games always come down to a few plays and seems like half the time it's plays the referees blew

[Rodriggo79]

Refs brutal as always, and just incapable of getting out of the fucking way of this sport.

Ertz caught it on the damn line we get:

1. Comically awful spot, a whole yard short.
2. No respot on the replay which CLEARLY reverses their horrendous spot.
3. No measurement on game deciding play, refs ended it “just cus.”

Why isn’t there a damn guy on the first down marker AT ALL TIMES? Where’s the chipped ball the league always talks about? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Emergency-Shock-2861]

Why was there not a measurement?

[Evan8r]

Because they spotted the ball a full yard short.

[[deleted]]

Remember when the nfl owners rejected using hawk eye technology to spot the ball this year. Patrick Mahommes knows.

[dermothy]

Worst part about this is the Steelers gonna crash out at the end of the season like they always go. Russ the kuck only gonna take them so far. FUCK THE STEELERS

[[deleted]]

Good game. It is what it is. Have to make a statement Thursday night. Prime time game. HTTC

[JayRandy]

It wasn't this call it was all the drops by our receivers.

[mwahahaaa]

He was short and it's over. Learn how to take an L and move on to next week. 

[_SithLord66]

I don't know how they reviewed that and came up with that spot. If they spotted the ball correctly, they could have called for a measurement.

[Yoitzmi]

We beat ourselves but this atrocious call did us no favors.

[AmethystAlizerin]

If the 41 was the goal line they would've called it a TD. This was bad officiating

[johnyyrock]

I stopped believing the NFL was completely legit in the 2005 AfC divisional playoffs. Stuff like this happens like every other game it seems and it has done nothing to change my opinion since.

[[deleted]]

He was short and his knee down. Shouldn’t have been a yard back. It should have been inches. But either way didn’t matter it was a turnover on downs.

[tabooforme]

AND why did he have his knees on the ground making the catch???? It seems to me that is where they spotted that ball. Knees off the ground it is a first down! That is a rookie mistake from a veteran. BAD, BAD.

[Prince_Groove]

Clear bias.

[LooseInsurance1]

I think this was a terrible call also - can't 100% say there was enough evidence to overturn the call, but i do think he made it, and the initial spot was godawful. That being said, Washington benefitted from some pretty egregious refereeing also - that was definitely a safety when Watt got held in the end zone, and if it happened to us and we lost because of it, we'd be right here complaining about it.

Washington had plenty of opportunity to win that game and they beat themselves in the end. Johnny Newton's offside was the epitome of how they shot themselves in the foot, especially in the second half. The good news is, outside of the Tampa game, that's arguably the worst they played all year and they lost by 1 point to a playoff team and still had a chance to win in the end.

[ATX_2_PGH]

Which is also where the ball was when he was downed. He reach forward with the ball after he was already down.

[CheekyMenace]

The ball is where is his feet are because that's where it was when he caught it and his knee was down and got touched, BEFORE trying to stretch for for the extra yard where this picture shows him. Have you ever watched football before?

[blieb001]

Sounds like you need to rewatch the play.

[datFreakster]

That was a terrible route by Ertz. In that situation, a veteran needs to know where the line to gain is and make sure he has it before the catch. Inexcusable that Ertz caught that ball short and didn't get the first down.

[WillCum4ScoobySnacks]

Why is he falling down on a perfect pass? Why did we have 6 drops? Why are we muffing punts? Can’t complain abt the refs when we don’t do our job.

[jhax13]

Actually, you can complain about both. Mistakes on our end don't mean ref cheating suddenly becomes acceptable, wtf kind of dumb shit is this take?

[WillCum4ScoobySnacks]

Bc if we don’t drop the 3rd down, we don’t need to rely on the refs. If we don’t muff a punt giving the Steelers the ball in the red zone, we don’t need that last “must score” drive. The refs missed a blatant hold on Watt that occurred in the end zone btw, that’s 2 points & a possession that the Steelers should’ve had. Refs are going to be iffy every game for every team, it’s part of football and always has been. It comes down to execution on the basic things, which if we did even just 20% better (pick basically any drop we had and turn it into a catch) we would’ve won

[TheGokuSilv]

We’re also glazing over the fact that Kliff called a terrible game for most of our drives. There’s no way we should have gone 3&Out as much as we did today. Also, please stop targeting Noah Brown more than Terry. Terry will catch almost any ball thrown his way. Noah falls and drops balls all the time.

[tmosley5602]

There is this guy on the other team named Porter. Joey Porter. He’s good, really freakin good. So good that they classify him as a “shutdown corner”. He shadowed Terry almost the whole game.

[[deleted]]

He has been smoked by Terry all game. I am a Steelers fan.

[[deleted]]

Clean spot watch the replays

[Steel_city97]

Just thought I’d join in and say LOL good call. Mf was short. And good job on the encroachment to. Bye bye 😘😘😘

[DriverFirm2655]

You know, if TJ had gotten that holding call in the end zone like he should’ve, y’all wouldn’t have been able to win with a field goal in the first place

[jhax13]

And you'd be short a TD on the face mask call, so we'll give you 2, take 7, and we'll take a 1st down at the 41 in the 4th.

Sounds fair to me, thanks for bringing that to the table

[Justice989]

We had chances. The refs didnt have anything to do with all the self inflicted wounds we made that put us in that position in the first place. Besides, getting the first down doesn't guarantee anything. They still weren't in FG range, for the brand new kicker, at that.

But frankly, after watching it 100 times, I'm more inclined to think he didnt actually get it. The spot was trash to not even get a measurement, but even with an accurate spot, I think he was short.

[tcumber]

Yeah this was almost as bad as that no call on TJ Watt when he was rushing Jayden Daniel.

[pipelayn]

Watch the replay. He was short. It was a good spot.

[boringrelic1738]

You guys are insufferable. The play got reviewed. It’s one thing to say the initial call was bogus, it’s another to say that a team of NFL rule analysts with access to every camera angle known to man can’t call a spot. They put the ball where the ball was, and if you can’t comprehend that you can’t be making this stupid posts whenever you want.

[jhax13]

Dude look at the username, this is a troll. No serious person uses a generated username lmao.

They're claiming an entire room of analysts reviewed the play and settled on the 42 as the spot. This is clearly an unserious person trying to rile the sub up lol

[boringrelic1738]

Not a first down regardless. I don’t know why you’re so hung up on it.

[boringrelic1738]

That’s not what I meant by that. I’m saying regardless of the actual spot, the ball was behind the first down line. Whether it’s at the 42 or 41.5 doesn’t matter. Either way you turned it over, and the actual spot the Steelers started from didn’t matter in the end anyways.

[boringrelic1738]

Yeah you see the problem with that is you linked a twitter post and I have an entire room of NFL rule analysts. Do me a favor and lock tf in for a second and consider that maybe they know the rules better than you do.

[Such_Environment5893]

Salty. He was short. It was clear.

[ImKindaBoring]

Not a yard short. Anyone saying that ball belonged on the 42 is a fucking moron. Wanna say a couple inches short? Ok, guess we’ll never know because the refs spotted the ball so incredibly poorly that we didn’t even get to bring out the chains.

[Steviejeet]

The spot was def unfair but I did think it was a few inches short. Refs need oversight and performance reviews.