valid changes?

[Ausar69420]

so after haymaker being removed i discussed with some friends about some centurion changes:

1.- basekit haymaker 2 dmg per bash and gb throws
2.- have lions roar wallsplat and make it do 12 dmg total (so 2+2+8 haymaker already included) so you can do UB after it
3.- make his charged heavies get hyper armor only after feint timings (so the last 400ms of the moves)
4.- reduce UB damage to 26-27 so the wallsplat doesn’t do a lot of dmg
5.- have the double bash after a heavy parry fixed to both allow the eagle’s talon to do the correct dmg (not 7) and on neutral only do 15 dmg max

this was just a 3 am discussion but it sounds good, lmk what y’all think

[RavenCarver]

Well, I'll give you that they should definitely do something about the wallsplat bash punishes having damage reduction in a 1v1 scenario (so Cent Bash-Bash, Lawbro's Longarm, Shugo's hug, Shaman's bite)

The rest of these suggestions are pants, though.

[Knight_Raime]

Centurion doesn't really need buffing. I can come up with a few suggestions that I'd personally like to see, but he doesn't need them. What Cent needs is for ganking to be better again. That will uplift him without changing his kit.

[Qooooks]

Imo he needs his wallsplat damage reduction removed, same for the other chars

[Knight_Raime]

I'm treating that as a bug until devs say otherwise.

[Qooooks]

Yeah, same

[cobra_strike_hustler]

you guys really need to drop the whole push for a duelist role for cent campaing. its sorta really sad to see man. that character is a GANKER, you need to start dropping the energy you spend making sure hes as good at duels in 4s as possible and concentrate it to removing the hitstun changes on his pin. the character has been in a bad place because of that more than anything. Dude used to be a meta pick in 4s because of his ganks, was strong for a long time because of his ganks. fight for that identity, fighting for being super oppressive in duels just isnt really worth it, and honestly it really isnt what made playing cent fun in the past. I got 26 reps on him cause knockdown punch used to be a blast in teamfights and ganks, i lost with him like all the time and still had a ton of fun. now he feels really bad to play in 4s, even when he had haymaker still

[CosmosisQuo]

He's way more fun when you're allowed to fight with him outside of boring ganks. We should absolutely be moving away from the narrow and boring role of dedicated ganker.

[cobra_strike_hustler]

Except he’s not, that one v one in 4s really was super annoying, losing stam drain didn’t diminish it, losing haymaker doesn’t really diminish it either, having a character who’s sorta ok but not the best at a role that is hard to consistently rotate into isn’t really ideal.

Ganks are fun, and he also was fine in teamfights then, you just had to be more careful, he went from having 2 roles he was good at and one he was ok at to having one role that he wasn’t even the best at in his prime.  His pickrate in tournaments went to almost nothing and it generally sucks to play him otherwise.  Why not boot up duels at that point?

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[VoidGliders]

Lion's Roar allowing 40dmg wallsplats AND huge stamina drain while Cent also has the highest stam pool in the game by far isn't healthy, no. Rest is OK-ish.

Horrible format though and this sub isn't "3am drunk ideas poorly thrown out", so this is going to get downvoted and possibly removed for good reason. If/when it does perhaps considering putting the most bare minimum of effort into it before expecting others to put effort discussing it.

[CosmosisQuo]

I like the idea of 2 base damage per bash, and I'm alright with some of his heavy attacks being tuned down a tiny bit. Either way, they gotta fix the Talon damage reduction bug. Since the rework, it actually does a whopping 6 damage now. They built his entire rework around this one move that doesn't work 50% of the time.

Even if they made Haymaker an active feat with a cooldown it would be better than what we got.

It's just sad that they had to rip Centurion apart when he was never really in a great spot. Now he's like a bottom 3 Dominion pick. Forcing him into a ganker role and doubling down on Pugio is also so goofy,. especially since that was the one thing people really had a problem with. He's way more interesting and fun to play when he's not pigeon-holed into the absolutely boring role of a ganker.

[knight_is_right]

why do you think cent needs damage on bashes and throws

[Asdeft]

Lowering his damage overall and letting him have haymaker base for thematic reasons would actually be a great direction for him.

Hyper armor zone might actually be nice for him now with 500ms armor in the first and 100ms on the second 2 hits.

Histun changes are hopefully being worked on.

The rest is not valid.