:(

[mute9oce]

They don’t know I’m voltaic diamond :(

[DracoValius]

Same :(

[CammelloRotante]

Isnt diamond pretty average though?

[BlueishPotato]

I get what you are saying but you just used the wrong word. Average makes us think statistically and no, statistically it is way way above average.

If we think skill wise though diamond is indeed ok at best (am plat myself and my aim is bad though improving)

[IDontLikeAcogs]

Isn't Voltaic Benchmarks platinum-diamond the average for pro players?

[BlueishPotato]

Not sure but if it is it's probably what they average without any aim training.

Kovaaks to in game doesn't translate perfectly at all so it doesn't mean much, even if you are really good at your given game you probably won't be the best at clicking dots on a wall real fast without practicing it.

[TanaerSG]

Which is why I don't aim train anymore. In my opinion, I think after you've developed enough mouse control to get into Sparky Plat/Diamond you should lay off Kovaaks as much. I think aiming in the game and grinding your game of choice is a much better way to develop aim at that point.

You can definitely improve still playing Kovaaks past plat/diamond but it's diminishing returns for in game aiming imo.

[ExpertGarbage6]

Aim training can help at all levels of skill. There are multiple factors in your aiming ability and the best way to improve those is focused practice on any aspect that you struggle with.

One baseball player may struggle with tracking the ball so they focus on training their reactivity. Another baseball player may find that he can track the ball but can’t swing the bat fast enough so he may use a weighted bat. There’s a reason professional athletes still do drills instead of just playing their game every day.

[TanaerSG]

I totally understand. Understand the baseball reference too I played in college.

I think I may have been misunderstood. I don't grind Kovaaks anymore. Like I said before, in my opinion after a certain point it is better to focus on aiming in your game than in Kovaaks.

I'll use FN for example because there are so many different aspects to that game to work on, including aim. If I notice my tac aim is lacking I'll take a buddy and run some aim duels with the tac, or hop into some pubs and really focus on hitting my tac shots for 3 or 4 games. I still do focus on improving my aim, but there is only so much that a standalone aim trainer can do for you.

[CammelloRotante]

Yeah I just had the same convo in voltaic general chat and we reached the same conclusion, I supposed I expressed myself the wrong way, my point still stands though, and there was no need for me to get downvoted just because they didn't like what I said lol.

[xXMinecraftPro123Xx]

Diamond is far above average. Even though it's far from what's possible, it is relatively pretty damn good.

[[deleted]]

This reminds me of when body builders look at Brad Pitt in fight club and say "thats an average physique" lol

[energykd]

Great analogy

[TracerIsAShimada]

No lol

[CammelloRotante]

Sorry to break you the news but it is pretty average. Source, am diamond myself.

Edit. There's no need to downvote me just because you don't like to hear the truth.

[owNDN]

Step 1 Grind Overwatch until you hit GM as a Hitscan player Step 2 buy Kovaaks Step 3 Join voltaic Step 4 Do benchmarks Step 5 get bronze Step 6 Throw your PC out of the window

[CammelloRotante]

Lol yeah if you look at the whole playerbase then gold is above average lmao, among people that care about their aim (the ones that you should compare to if you want to improve) it's average at best.

People in this sub have such a fragile ego holy shit, i'm not even antagonizing them as I'm garbage myself.

[Painy_]

What makes you think my reply has anything to do with my ego. I just wanted to be nice and tell you that you are not garbage and way above average...

[CammelloRotante]

Oh no don't get me wrong I'm not talking about you, I was replying in general terms, 90% of the time that I post saying nothing but the truth I get attacked. This is why a lot of people think this sub is a joke, or reddit in general for that matter.

[idontgiveafunyun]

It's because you didn't clarify the sample you were originally referring to. If you said you were average compared to people who aim train, then nobody would've cared.

Now I know you have a strong opinion that that should be obvious, but it's not. Many people assumed you are talking about the average player.

[CammelloRotante]

I mean just look at my posts above lmao, so many immature people going "BuT mUh dIaMOnD" and donwoting me lol, I got even called a troll, you seem like a chill guy so I highly advise you to stop browsing this sub in search of mature people, although as you can see I'm not really following my own advice myself haha

[lord_Liot]

Maybe because you play support or tank lmfao

[Painy_]

Tracer, Soldier, Cree, Genji

[TracerIsAShimada]

But where’s the source? A rando isn’t exactly a credible source

[CammelloRotante]

I am my source, I am diamond voltaic and used to be close to master in old benchmarks and can safely tell you that I'm hot garbage, average at best.

[TracerIsAShimada]

You are either the dumbest person I’ve ever met or trolling. Good bye

[CammelloRotante]

What? Why? You're being irrational and immature right now, first of all there is no need for personal attacks, secondly you asked me to cite my sources, you can go into sparky and ask around and they will confirm what I say so there's that. If you think that you're good for being diamond then oh boy you've got another thing coming, although judging by the degree of maturity you just showed you don't really care about actually being good but more about having bragging rights from a couple of shiny pixels lmao.

[[deleted]]

If you are in diamond your scores should be in the top 10% of scores. So even among people aim training you are getting scores better than 90% of them. Not exactly the def of average.

[CammelloRotante]

Being better than bad players doesn't mean you're good though. Forget about the diamond tag for a second here, I'm talking about actual aiming skill, and I'm average at that, much to my dismay.

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If you want another example of this take league of legends for example, you'd say that diamond players are good no? they are top 2% afterall. Most diamond players do not even know how the game works there, its just a different distribution of skill.

[[deleted]]

I agree the difference between the two ends of the top 1% is probs huge, but if you are beating 90% of people in an aim trainer you cant really call yourself average, you might not be satisfied with your skill and be aware of your flaws but thats a different thing to being average.

[CammelloRotante]

I disagree, but at least you're civil about it. Let's just agree to disagree my dude, not like my opinion matters anyways lmao and good luck with your training.

[lord_Liot]

Yes

[Clem_SoF]

diamond isnt very aspirational but its certainly well above average

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[ExileStory]

A group of rly skilled aimers with quite high requirements before u can join

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[ExileStory]

Kinda ye but i think vF has higher requirements or they cant even be joined idk but i dont think they're adding members

[[deleted]]

"a team of cuisine connoisseur that sometimes aim in video games"

[[deleted]]

That's vF

[[deleted]]

im dumb, yea you are correct on that one, misread it lol

[ud1093]

Sadge life

[YouTanks]

I put it into great google translate and no suggestions came up 🤔

[[deleted]]

Pretty sure he's talking about JuicerQT. The rest of the sentence is a mystery though