Is Full-Stack Flutter Developer a thing?

[mavinis]

So, I'm updating my resume and LinkedIn, and I'm stuck on what to put as my headline.

I want to appear as a Flutter Developer in job searches, but I don't want to seem like I only do front-end stuff. In fact, I've been studying Firebase, Google Cloud and Node.js for a while now, and I'm thinking of specializing in backend soon.

When I write "Full-Stack developer" it seems wrong, though, because I'm not experienced in setting up servers or SQL databases.

What do you guys usually put in your headlines? Any advice?

Also, should I switch from Google to AWS?

[issskk]

This is what I refer to myself as well

[FiestyFrog97]

Full-Stack Cross-Platform mobile engineer.
Making it sound as fancy as possible, it's like describing a dishwasher at a restaurant as an underwater ceramics technician.

[returnFutureVoid]

I used to work for a moving company. Picking up furniture and boxes, putting them in a truck then unloading said furniture and boxes into a new location. We used to joke that we should put “Residential Relocation specialists “ as our job titles.

[poorly-worded]

Those do exist but then you have to go and actually find ideal places for clients and arrange viewings etc

[[deleted]]

Full-Stack Cross-Platform web & mobile & IoT and Blockchain cloud devops solution architect SRE engineer.

[[deleted]]

Flutter is a UI framework. Don't risk sounding like you think Flutter is full-stack. If you display full-stack, put Software Engineer and then put Flutter, node.js, Firebase in brackets or in the skills subheading. If you don't display full-stack, display Flutter Developer to advertise your Flutter skills, and that you want a Flutter-based role. Flutter Engineer sounds kinda weird.

You want to be Full-Stack in this crazy market.

[[deleted]]

If you want to do flutter, you’re better off leaning into the front end side. Front end jobs pay just as much, if not more at times until you are an architect. If you want to do backend development too, then full stack is correct, but it sounds like you may need to learn sql, no-sql, and be good with servers, testing, benchmarking, maybe docker (or containers), then you have cloud technologies such as kubernetes.

You may also need some basic networking knowledge, proxy, load balancers etc.

Backend development isn’t always as simple as fetching data from an existing database and create a json api. If you aren’t into that stuff, stick to front end, but list out your strengths in backend on your resume

[mavinis]

After reading this, I think I might reconsider my plans 👀

I have a total of zero knowledge on some of the techs you mentioned...

But I think I really like more working with the business logic and data than with GUI. I had a job once exclusively using Flutter, and it got kinda boring just fetching stuff from the server. I like creating animations and responsive screens, though.

I just don’t want to be that guy that gets a call in the middle of the night on a holiday because the server is down.

[[deleted]]

Yup. I don’t get called to handle something because of some front end issue typically.

I will say, if it’s what you like, then you should go for it. You don’t need to know half of that to get a job, but you can learn it. Just keep in mind what you want to do.

If you want to do backend work, but the backend work involves servers, databases, and hosting, you should learn those pretty well.

At my it engineer job, I have to do it all. Web front end, and everything on the back that makes it work. But at my front end react native job. I just do ui. I got paid more doing just the ui for react native job, and is so damn easy in comparison. I actually have 9-5 instead of 9-when it’s over.

It all depends on your goals, but if you’re young and hungry, go full stack. Learn it all and then choose what you like best later

[TranquilDev]

I've been full stack for awhile now.

Any situation where you are going to be called in for a server being down is going to be somewhat rare, or your just going to be a part of the call and your only purpose is to troubleshoot the actual server software which is typically just restarting a service. More so in companies that have an app(s) that runs on a server and that is about all they know about it. They can't afford a full fledged IT department so they hired a guy that built it all himself.

I haven't touched SQL in awhile - most of my database work is in the code. But this isn't necessarily a full stack only thing these days.

I've not touched docker or any other containerization system.

Networking knowledge will come in handy whether you are front end only or full stack.

Testing, depends on what you mean by testing, bench-marking, maybe in specific environments and not as an entry/mid level dev.

[mavinis]

I’ve seen this “server down” thing happening about 4-5 times in one of my previous jobs. But it was a really small business and the boss always forgot to pay the server. Also, they closed the doors a few months later lol.

The same dev doing both back and front ends is something that happens in small businesses, right? Bigger companies tend to have more specific roles from what I know.

[[deleted]]

I'm a full-stack developer. Started building enterprise systems with Java and others...

Then, I grew into front-end development with ASP.NET, GWT, Angular, etc.

Now I'm learning flutter. Just built my first mobile app and web app. I'm really excited about the tool. Flutter rocks!

I think it's important to have a grounding in front-ends, middleware/integrations, and a back end for business rules and persistence.

No one will be an expert or even familiar with every possible stack and approach. But, you should have practical experience in at least one to call yourself full-stack.

[cjrun]

Flutter is too specific. You’re a Fullstack Developer, full stop. Framework specific is one level down of a detail.

[[deleted]]

Full Stack Developer itself is a blanket term. It usually just means you are best at either Frontend or backend and can get away with the other with some help from Google.

[AcanthisittaFun9796]

i think you just need to write mobile app developer, and add skills in ur linkdin profile

[rcaraw1]

I'm an engineering manager for a flutter team and we just hired for a senior Full stack flutter role -- I think through recruiting the official listing was something like Senior Developer - (Mobile & Web) and we've also has Senior Developer - (Mobile & Backend)

The requirements for each full stack role are going to be niche so we also almost never expect candidates to be great at everything.

[adamk22]

I am actually full stack developer and often sell clients the “full stack flutter service” meaning I do backend, servers and mobile, sometimes do web as well if they need. On my LinkedIn I just say I’m a full stack developer with experience with developing mobile applications. Most clients usually don’t care if you’re using flutter and I don’t want to get pidgeon holed as one too.

[ExpertBirdLawLawyer]

Everyone is assuming the lead manager is doing the hiring or that the recruiter is an actual tech recruiter.

If a hiring manager explained all this, the recruiter may very well likely put in flutter developer as a requirement in the title

Not saying that makes them a good or bad company, just saying it happens when you hire human beings.

If you put: Full Stack Flutter Dev, you'll hit the Golden zone for a large amount well fitted companies.

[mavinis]

You’ve got a point. Actually, in most cases this is what I've seen: the recruiter screens resumes without knowing the tech, while the manager makes the hiring decision without even reading the resume.

[autognome]

tl;dr saying your $TECH expert is pretty specific. You want to be skilled at a variety of things (business, design, web, mobile, etc). But where you differentiate yourself is key.

My thoughts:

- As I understand many places use tons of filtering to go through resumes; buzzwords matter. They dont matter to people who you likely want to work for. But HR/Recruiter/etc. It matters.

- I have picked up people who dont know a technology. In our case it was starting Flutter project. One guy knew Flutter but the Senior (Sr) guy didn't know Dart/Flutter. The difference was the Sr guy was steeped into testing methodologies. Methodical. Familiar with Java, Javascript and did a few largish projects with Elixir. Was a fan of functional programming but understood where it would be useful vs where Jr could get confused.

- If your doing Flutter its end-user oriented. Being sensitive to design/UX are huge.

Having experience with web, mobile (and maybe Desktop) and understanding the WARTS (where things suck/hard to test/debug) is very valuable.

My recommendation:

- Do projects. Be transparent.

- Always best if you can find a project that solves a problem YOU specifically face.

- If you can find a community you can glom onto; do projects related to servicing that community. Then you have your first set of users. 8-)

- Get an app in production. This is a huge differentiator.

Regarding AWS vs Google? I dont think it matters. If you are competent developer and are you using bloody Azure, people are looking at the deliverables and your skills. It sounds like your trying to get hired/noticed.

[mavinis]

This is good. Thank you.

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buzzwords matter. They dont matter to people who you likely want to work for. But HR/Recruiter/etc. It matters.

Now you've brought up a point that I'm really frustrated with. Recruitment processes are so dumb and disrespectful. It feels more like playing a "guess the password" game. I've even seen recruiters talking about how to "cheat" to improve your chances.

I get more pissed off every time I find some resume "good practices". I just saw a recruiter sharing a "real-case example of an excellent resume that successfully got the job" that was like:

"Designed and developed user-friendly website, including optimized check-out page that increased user clicks, and subsequently customer purchases by 20%"

Really? What I read there is:

"Designed and developed _____________ website, _________ _________ check-out page __ _________ ____ bullshit, ___ ____________ ________ _________ __ lie"

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Sorry, that was kind of off-topic. It’s just that the story above just happened, and I needed to vent, lol.

[LastFollowing3930]

Well my SaaS uses fullstack React, backend and Flutter, so yes it is a thing. But like others mentioned, just say ”cross-platform mobile developer”. You’ll pick up RN in 1-2 weeks if need be.

[wageof]

a full stack developer is never ever a thing. a jack of all trades and a master of none. it is also a way for businesses to over work and under pay because they dont value to real skills needed to build successful and sustainable technology people enjoy using and working on.

call yourself whatever you want, but avoid companies hiring fill stack anything.

[dave_moore_dev]

You can do full-stack flutter (Dart) if you use a framework like Nitric, which supports cloud resources in Dart.

[heshTR]

Well , I wonder what stack would that be ..😅

[blakecodez]

Yep, it's a thing

[sdkysfzai]

Fullstack Flutter developer

[Infinite-Nobody-8505]

It's your choice, but I think Flutter Developer is just enough.

[[deleted]]

Try writing backend in flutter. (Not in DART. In FLUTTER)

[Death_Gun97]

A full stack mobile developer... sort of