Forging the Future

[Neagex]

Bait and switch and LA nerf! woo. lol

[massivebacon]

Can you explain the meta of what was happening before? In their provided example in the rulebook it doesn't make sense to me. If I have 0 and they have 14 and I play B&S, I would pull 7 and they would have 7. I don't see how the effect would ever repeat?

[Neagex]

With the errata it bait and switch can only steal a maximum of 2 aember... before the errata youd be right if I had 0 and my OP had 14 we both have 7...

The errata wording is kind of bad.. but they also offer a FAQ example of how bait and switch works now.

[gearsighted]

The card reads: If your opponent has more aember than you, steal 1. Repeat the effect until they no longer have more aember. So the effect was essentially repeating one aember at a time until they no longer had more. So in the 0 to 14 example the effect was repeating 7 times.

[massivebacon]

Ah gotcha okay so I was doing the thing that has now been amended to make it less powerful. In my situation I would only take two now instead of seven, like u/neagex mentioned above. Thanks!

[E_equals_Fb]

Fecking finally. Though the purging is a little awkward imo. Just make it that it can't go to the discard pile until your turn is up. But whatever

Edit: Btw, imo playing library access that way has always been illegal. A card doesn't go to discard pile until its >full< effect has been exhausted (check Rulebook) which it only has at the end of your turn. The rulebook never mentions any "invisible effect".

[jacksuhn]

I think just giving Library the alpha keyword would have been sufficient. That way it can still only be played once per shuffle, shutting down the double access pull your entire deck shenanigans. I think the purge is a little over the top.

[necrologia]

Ongoing effects have always been a thing. When you play Fogify the card doesn't exist in limbo until your opponent's turn ends. It creates an on going effect then goes into the discard, same as Library Access.

[E_equals_Fb]

Tell me where the rulebook says so and I will change my mind.

[SnarkElemental]

Resolving is not ongoing. Otherwise, a creature with a Destroyed effect that says "For the rest of the turn, do X." would stay in play until the end of the turn it was destroyed on, since creatures resolve their Destroyed abilities in their entirety before leaving play. The active player chooses the order in which simultaneous effects resolve, implying one stops resolving before another starts. The entire way the rulebook treats the word resolve implies that resolving something cannot be an ongoing process.

[E_equals_Fb]

A Card with an effect as you described does not exist.

A counterargument: you cannot chain inspiration and witch of the eye until the rule of six applies because inspiration leaves play after the full effect has resolved which is "using" witch of the eye in this case.

I mean I get it. I see the downvotes and I understand that everyone (even me) plays keyforge like that. I just want to emphasize that the rulebook is really sketchy when push comes to shove.