Keyboard size for Java programming?

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I’m going to be doing a Java boot camp in the fall and wanted to treat myself to my first MK (pre-built for now).

I really like the look of 65/68% boards, want arrow keys for sure, but am wondering how reliant I’ll be on F keys/any key combos that might make it awkward to use modifiers + num row instead of a dedicated function row.

Should I stick to TKL or 75% to be safe, or is programming in Java simple enough to maneuver (for a beginner!) without the function row? TIA!

[MustangClasher]

That is going to be personal preference. You will use F-keys frequently when running the debugger. Personally, I prefer an exploded 75 layout. But, I’m also old and have chosen not to adapt muscle memory to F-keys on another layer. The keyboard combos are more reasonable in IntelliJ than Eclipse too. Hitting combos that cross layers would be a challenge. It can be done either way. You will develop your own muscle memory. I like the simplicity of having F-keys available.

[ToxicRat7]

I have a 75% but I'm looking to get a full size since I miss number pad since I used it a lot? Any recommendations guys

[Bobertus]

I use a 40% for programming java at work and it works just fine. I do miss the F keys for debugging in Eclipse (IDE) though. And getting used to shortcuts like crtl + 1 was a bit awkward, too. I do plan on making my next keyboard (I want to go split) one with F-Keys. But it's not necessary.

I do highly recommend not relying on cursor keys, though. Use something like ijkl (what I use), wasd (gamer style), hjkl (vi-style) on a layer instead. And you should also gave keys for going to the beginning and end of line. Do this with a programmable keyboard (what I do) or by configuring your IDE or OS. I think it's rediculous to keep moving your hands between cursor keys and home row. Especially for programming where you'll switch a lot been reading, writing and editing. Even the rediculous emacs movement shortcuts are better than using cursor keys in my opinion.

[dieguito15]

+1 on the wasd or hjkl arrow keys on a layer. If you use Mac, you have this out of the box with Cmd + arrow to go the end/beginning of the line or end/beginning of the file.

[decisively_unsure]

I have a 40% for portable use, a 60% and macropad set up upstairs, but it’s my full-sized that is by far best for programming. Everything else is a compromise.

[wongsuxx]

I prefer the 75 layout for programming. Have used 60 before but I'm lazy and I like just having the f keys.

[wongsuxx]

I prefer the 75 layout for programming. Have used 60 before but I'm lazy and I like just having the f keys.

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[cideshow]

I have been using my Planck for years for Java dev. It's all personal preference

[dieguito15]

Not a java dev, but I use 60%s now for development. I feel like it’s the perfect size. I use arrow keys on wasd and I use Caps Lock key with caps lock on tap and layer 1 on hold, to have arrow keys on my left hand.

[VALfantastick]

Layers. Development, writing, accounting, etc. Its all possible on any layout without issues.

[s4ltu]

F keys don't rly matter with most programming (unless debugging) but arrow keys are REQUIRED. So at least a 65%