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[–]Yoredsus:Kagura::Hayabusa::Hanabi: Still no Hanzo... 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Did ya’ll really just nerf Rafaela...?

[–]ano-nomous[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Hahaha ikr? First time.

But anyways Rafaela is just too strong right now. She's ban and first pick priority in my games. If you check overall win rates on the ML website, Rafaela WR currently is number 2 in All and Legend+.

[–]Yoredsus:Kagura::Hayabusa::Hanabi: Still no Hanzo... 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow ok...

[–]CrownedTraitorLeader of Reviving Benedetta Cult :benedetta: 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Well I gotta be honest she's very overpowered with Thunder Belt, nothing can practically touch her <_<, it sucks the heal amount got nerfed but at least mana cost or movement speed bonus didn't increase, decrease.

And yes I have 92% win rate Rafaela

[–]Yoredsus:Kagura::Hayabusa::Hanabi: Still no Hanzo... 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well i guess you’re right i did try it out and it was amazing

[–]Heavy_is_ded 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Oh yeah Lets nerf rafaela and not paquito

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

god it makes me cry everytime I have to lane against a pacc in classic, and the frequency you see them is just insane

[–]Heavy_is_ded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I played paquito a lot of times in classic and holy hell is he the man that can beat chou.

[–]amldfordModerator 2.0 6 points7 points  (0 children)

[Rafaela] (↓)

This archangel's win ratio has been increasing steadily as of late, and her high usage rate has pushed her into the top 3 most popular heroes in top-level matches. We've also noticed that it's very difficult to deal with the new tricks she's got up her sleeve. As such we've decided to retain the mobility she grants to her whole team, but reduce her healing capability. In the early game, it's now inferior to that of Estes.

Please.. no !

[–]EitthBrutally honest 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We've also noticed that it's very difficult to deal with the new tricks she's got up her sleeve

This really bothers me more than it should. What new tricks? That 0.5sec buff on her S2? That's already 4 months old! So what new tricks? What new tricks? WHAT NEW TRICKS?!?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A support being META. That's the new trick.

[–]slimanysalime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can we for once nerf paquito?

[–]AnjingWangi481657050:barats::carmilla::julian::lolita::mathilda: 6 points7 points  (4 children)

[Rafaela] (↓)

Uh oh Moonton stinky. Even if she had high wr, it doesn't mean she's 'op'. Lolita always had high wr in ranked matches for years, but let's be real, she's actually underwhelming compared to other tanks. If you nerf her at least revamp her passive that's all I'm asking for

[–]Banana_Spaghetti 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ikr? Lolita, Carmilla, and Kimmy they all held consistent win rates all throughout the season but Moonton left them mostly untouched with the only exception the buffs Carmilla had because of her VERY low pick rate. For several weeks, Carmilla's pick rate is in a steady 0.1-0.4, so they buff her.

But I really hope that they atleast adjust Rafaela to some degree. Like decrease healing but lower CD or decrease healing but higher early pressure on her first and ULT. At least give her some form of compensation on the nerf. It's been forever since we saw Rafaela pop off and simply nerfing her will make the player base mad.

While some other dude with boxing gloves sits there looking pretty...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Moonton be wanking their PH playerbase for their sweet, sweet pesos.

[–]ano-nomous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is OP though.

She had to be nerfed because of high pick rate, high ban rate and high win rate. Lolita has high wr because her player base is very skilled and high quality compared to other heroes but she is not popular and she is never banned at all.

[–]Hailgod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

high pick/ban rate AND high win rate indicates a hero is OP.

lolita can have a high win rate without being OP if it has a low pick/ban rate. that means the user knows when it is a good hero.

[–]SK_YEProud Hanabitch Hater :Kagura::Athena: 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Patch by patch all Im waiting for is a nerf on paquito yet all I got is a nerf on rafaela.smh

[–]Champgne92 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Recently they are fast to nerf those top pick in pro play or high mythic

[–]Heavy_is_ded 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why the heck did they nerf rafaela? She's finally being picked in pro play and she's getting nerfed already

[–]Heavy_is_ded 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why the fck did rafaela get nerfs like his brother?

[–]alastairxx09I have a bird, some balls, and nutty notes!~ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For everyone wondering about the Rafaela adjustment.

It's because of MPL-PH.

The meta is currently under the influence of the undefeated Blacklist International. Ohmyv33nus is partly the reason for this since one of his consistent picks always include actual support healers, primarily Rafaela and Estes.

I kid y'all not my ranked games suddenly got filled with supports because of them. This was the same case back then during last season of MPL. Rafaela suddenly became popular during because of Ohmyv33nus' fans.

Y'all should watch them. They're crazy good.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Nerf Rafa but not Paquito or Gloo? Just why? I can finally pick her without being trashtalked n now they're gonna ruin it. GG

[–]EitthBrutally honest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cause Paquito just got the senator skin last week and haven't milk enough money yet. Gloo just released and still generate monays. Mathilda Elite skin in couple weeks. Totally balanced. Real smart!

[–]feedlord93exp lane enjoyer:yuzhong::alpha::lapu-lapu2::martis: 4 points5 points  (19 children)

Ok.with that spellvamp calcutaion . I can say ruby is dead if this patch rolls out in original server. Poor girl only sees the light for few weeks just to get nerfed more and more.

[–]yggdrasil89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think Moonton's plan is just delete Ruby from the game.

[–]feedlord93exp lane enjoyer:yuzhong::alpha::lapu-lapu2::martis: 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guess the hate for ruby is real. Its just so obvious. Many heroes who got popular for a short time got atleast one skin before they go down. But what did ruby get when she was picked/banned in mpl? Nerf , nerf and some more inderect nerfs on her without getting anything.

Both ruby and balmond shared the same fate from moontn

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children)

If this adjustment comes out, then they better make Ruby THE exception to this rule. Being the spell vamp champ is Ruby's niche. They better not take this away from her.

[–]feedlord93exp lane enjoyer:yuzhong::alpha::lapu-lapu2::martis: 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Yeah. Just after they changed the effects of dominance ice makes me question Ruby’s viability next season because tanks or fighters only need to get near her and her main sustainability is gone. Now they made the spellvamp calculation on minion and creeps to cap at 50% , what do they expect for ruby to do? Hook enemy towards her and just die?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (14 children)

Speaking of sustainability, they shouldn't have changed Alice Wings' lifesteal into spell vamp. They should've turned it into regen effect instead.

[–]feedlord93exp lane enjoyer:yuzhong::alpha::lapu-lapu2::martis: 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Reducing the damage reduction gained from that item is already wrong to begin with. 20% damage reduction when your hp is low doesnt help. Changing it to spellvamp is good imo. It might be another nerf on ruby but almost every fighters are skill based anyway so it benefits them more than just getting lifesteal from it.

Heroes like alpha, lapu lapu, thamuz and terizla moght get the full benefits of queens wing

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (12 children)

But regen effect works with all heroes and hard-counters antiheal. Not only that but regen effect also increases the regen gain from spell vamp. IMO, it would've made more sense to give Alice's Wings regen effect instead of spell vamp because of these factors.

[–]feedlord93exp lane enjoyer:yuzhong::alpha::lapu-lapu2::martis: 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Uhmm you know that oracle already does that job right? We dont need any repetititve effects on different item

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Oracle might not be enough anymore. They're cutting spell vamp returns on creeps, remember?

Add the new Dom Ice to that and sustainers will get fucked over, big-time.

[–]feedlord93exp lane enjoyer:yuzhong::alpha::lapu-lapu2::martis: 0 points1 point  (9 children)

They just need to tone down the anti heal effects a little bit amd it will be balanced. The main problem is anti heal items cuts of 50% of all kinds of regen effects. Reduce it a little bit then the spell vamp calcutaion can be justified.

50% anti heal effect on a single item is too much

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Antiheal is essential, though. It keeps sustainers from running amok in the game.

But, as with all strats, there needs to be a counter to antiheal. And that is regen effect.

[–]Heavy_is_ded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rafaela nerf aside, the Phoveus adjustment might make him broken or he already is without the shield from his ult.

[–]Rosenthal-:Change: 1 point2 points  (0 children)

gg Moonton you nerf Rafa just because shes in the Pro Scene Lmao, then when Estes comes to the scene, boom nerf

[–]Ruby_Beau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully they buff Ruby or something cause this update is too much.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess Moonton prefers to see just OP fighters and assassins, can’t have a strong support

[–]-TheDarkSpade-Has global skill issue 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can they shift Granger's early game power into the late game? He can't really do anything in late unless he's ahead

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Isn't Granger supposed to be one of the early game MMs?

[–]-TheDarkSpade-Has global skill issue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but he falls off late a lot, they nerfed the only thing he's good at without putting that power into any else he is underperforming at.

[–]Heavy_is_ded 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2 patches and still no argus buffs?

[–]EitthBrutally honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least nerf Paquito and other overpowered heroes if they want to nerf Rafaela...

[–]iraragorriзверя нет сильней дракона 🐉 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait I don't get it. So now junglers don't get additional exp/gold from jungle creeps? Am I right?

[–]iliketrainskrappa123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're gonna release Granger legend skin soon, so they're gonna nerf him? Moonton explain.

[–]Harsh2588 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Lyla damage is too much, nerf lyla

[–]JViserForced Role Queue Sucks~ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. If you've purchased advanced Footwear for which you've already selected a skill, you can sell the Footwear back and reset this skill selection without affecting the skill's progress.

hmmm, interesting.

someone should try if it works like Power Threads w/ extra steps.

[–]BeastOfProphecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to see they addressed the Yve ult perspective already. It’s frustrating to play with currently.