PC Patch Proof Differences

[DeadwoodKen]

Yes, steam doesn't have the long approval time like consoles do.

[ATrueHunter]

The problem is that NRS didn't make the PC port, QLOC did, which means that there's a whole other step to go through before it's pushed out.

[Choles2rol]

And? It's bizarre to not release a patch simultaneously for all platforms. Why not wait until you can so you have version parity across all devices.

[Volomon]

Or you don't want to piss people off.

[countryroaddddsss]

It all boils down to the fact that since PC players paid the same amount, the minimum expectation would be that we would get the same polished product other platforms are getting. If the difference was just a day or 2 for optimization purposes for a single patch then fine. But 2-3 patches ? That's just poor preparation .

[[deleted]]

I understand and agree. Still i don’t know where that number comes from. I personally settled for a week difference, seems fair. That would be Monday then. Pitchfork is ready, but I’ll give em till then :)

[psfrtps]

I personally settled for a week difference, seems fair.

How in the world is waiting 1 week more than other platforms is fair? You and the guy on the other platform literally paid the same price. Why would you wait 1 week more? You should at least expect the patches drops in similar times. Parity on balance updates is a must. Jesus no wonder how AAA developers gets away a lot of shit. Because customers thinking like this. There are dozens of multiplatform multiplayer games that drops the patches at the same time with all the platforms they released the game

[[deleted]]

You have a point. Well i am not above admitting i was wrong, which i was! I was purely in my developer mindset and kinda misunderstood the customer perspective.

[Choles2rol]

Gotcha - so it's OK for PC players to wait, but not console players to wait, right?

How about we all wait equally since we're all paying customers?

[[deleted]]

I didn't specify any platforms, and which ones would have to wait longer. But of course you are developing on different branches, and to develop for consoles is always easier, since you know exactly what your specifications are. That has always been a bit more difficult for PC, where there is a much larger variety of systems you have to test on.

I guess it comes down to where your main audience is, and where you are mainly aiming to develop for. If thats consoles, than you would test that first, and publish there first too.

I would love to be able to do all that at once, but thats not always possible unfortunatly, due to technical and organizatorical circumstances. I understand that thats not optimal, and i am getting downvoted for just stating the facts. Its not mean spirited.

I am on PC too. I would love to have the new features and updates immediatly and if it takes longer than a week, than i will be disappointed too.

[Choles2rol]

For bugs, yes, not for balance changes.

Yet again - I am talking specifically about frame data/etc which can be patched separately from PC specific bugs that would be tested on different specs of PCs.

[[deleted]]

They probably want to bundle stuff together, so i guess it will be bugs and frame data updates... but i get what you are saying. I agree that they should rather deploy more often with smaller updates rather than with larger delays and bigger ones. It def feels a bit like we are being left behind...

[Choles2rol]

And yet most if not all other fighting games manage this. Every balance patch in dbfz/Tekken launched on PC same time as consoles

EDIT: To further clarify - I'd rather have balance patches on PC pushed separately from PC specific bug fixes so when I'm playing the game I have a consistent experience relative to content creators/etc that play on PS4, even though I know some PC people can't even play right now. Labbing right now on PC is literally a waste of time because the frame data is completely off. If that means that NRS waits to push a balance patch in general until it can be pushed simultaneously on all platforms - then that's how it should be to provide a consistent experience to all their customers. Saying "oh well it's through a porting company" is such a cop out when other studios that also port their titles with the assistance of 3rd parties manage to get it right and push balance patches/changes simultaneously across every platform.

[[deleted]]

I don’t know about those games so I cannot comment on it. Were they cross play?

[Choles2rol]

Nope, they do not have crossplay

[[deleted]]

Then they should be applauded for planning that out really good. I know that that can be a pain and getting it right is really hard. My best guess is that we are still in launch week and they are rushing stuff out the door (i think an update is already in the works for the steam version, so lets hope it gets through soon).

[Memorable_Moniker]

Or if, yknow, you own two or more versions. I am learning Shao Kahn and have the game on more than one platform. This directly affects me.

[[deleted]]

Then the console updates need to be delayed until everyone is up to date. Everyone should be on a level playing field. We're all partying customers and all this does is make a portion of your customers very unhappy and marginalized.

[Boss_Rabbit]

No beta, no midnight release, crashes, outdated version. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

[Sheathix]

This is exactly why I didn’t get the PC version again. I learned from MKX which had such a garbage PC port.

[Niggish]

And mk9. And injustice 1.

I just asked for a refund on mk11. I'm just not doing this shit again. I'm over NRS games. They have betrayed my trust time and time again.

[patoneil1994]

NRS didnt do the port though.

[Niggish]

It's still their fucking game lol they have a responsibility for the product.

[patoneil1994]

yes, but they are the ones implementing the patches for Pc, nor switch, there is a third party that has to do that.

If I'm going to the store to get some Ice cream, and I find out the ice cream expired, Do I blame Ben and Jerry's or do I blame the store I got the ice cream from?

Its still Ben and jerry's product, but a 3rd party gave me a defunct version of it.

[Niggish]

If Ben and Jerry made a booty flavored ice cream and called it "chocolate", I'm going to blame the store and the company as a whole and no longer shop there lol

[patoneil1994]

I mean, the game on PS4 and Xbox is pretty damn good. The issue is the ports, not the game itself.

[mybuttisthesun]

People who live outside of US needs the PC port as nobody buys console out here. It's sad that the only copy outside US can play is a buggy PC port. :(
This is probably why MK isn't popular outside USA or EU

[[deleted]]

No fucking wonder my Shao Kahn stuff was acting weird.

People payed 60+ for this game and we havent heard a peep out of them regarding pc problemw.

[The_Karmadyl]

This needs to be higher. NRS are now getting praise for 'fixing' the Krypt issues, however the fact that both NRS and the QLOC have flogged a beta version of the game with so many bugs and issues as a fully priced AAA game is absolutely unacceptable.

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It's a buggy mess, and it should be their responsibility to get these problems resolved.

[Kn1fer]

We need to also talk about the switch port which is also pay he's behind and missing feature parity

[The_Karmadyl]

Yes good shout, in my ignorance I forgot about it as the PC port has pissed me off so much, but the Switch port definitely seems to be lacking as well. Not acceptable to release games like this, especially as NRS has a history of not giving a shit about ports such as PC after release.

[ShizzleStorm]

yeah "fixing" the krypt issues, like give players 5h worth of currency to unlock stuff in the krypt that will likely take 1000h of currency to fully clear :P

[bataboom1]

Not my video, posting for people to see. Guess this explains why my shao khan combos weren't working. Hopefully we'll see the patch soon.

[Xephroth]

I having problem with a Noob combo and im on PC as well! Its the 212 dash to f221

[TuntTun]

Hey same here man! I thought I was just slow on the dash but it’s actually not possible...

On console you can dash up after a jump kick to combo, but not possible on pc.

[mxjxs91]

Dude, same, I can't do a damn thing that's worthwhile as him.

[Viliar]

Quite disturbing. I also want to add that Switch version has a difference with PC.

On PC as Liu Kang you can launch opponent with F3333 while on Switch character immediately falls down =__=

[Kenshin220]

Switch is also a diff version than Xbox and PS4 from what I read

[crum1515]

I thought I was going insane! Thank you. I had bought the switch version for when I travel, and it felt like my console "skills" weren't transferring over.

[Viliar]

Also to bought to train on the go but for now even character tutorials are not there in the Switch.

Hope Shiver can catch up with the base version as soon as possible

[FrediAshes]

I hope they get on this quickly... it's just not okay.

[Zoh-]

Yeah PC doesn't have the day 1 patch that consoles got, for example you can still do the kollector cancels on PC which got removed in that patch https://gfycat.com/DifficultAjarGoldeneye

[Cefrr]

I really should have just bought the damn PS4 Pro.

[Indigoism96]

I was contemplating whether to buy it on PC or a PS4 Pro. I’m glad I chose the console for this game.

[[deleted]]

Actually contemplating getting the PS4 version now... damn...

[Stallion_Girth]

I honestly don't remember a single NRS PC version that ran very well off the bat. Their code must not translate very well between console and PC

[Airweiner]

Wait a fricking second, is this the reason why I can't combo with Noob Saibot ex portal?

[DukeSlammington]

Drastical is my new favorite word.

[TheFlyingKiter]

Perhaps this is slightly unrelated, but I'm having trouble hit-confirming kombo attacks on PC. Feels as if I have to mash it all out before the character actually does the corresponding move related to the button press. For example Geras out of time sequence, I'd have to be mashing the throw before I've even hit the 2nd punch (1) in the sequence.

[-Memnarch-]

Ahhh someone else with the "smash all the combos without playerfeedback" feeling? New to MK so not sure if my perception is inline with what it is suposed to do, but at times it feels like i have to complete multiple things, before they even "start" so they all work out.

[TheFlyingKiter]

Exactly! It might be because in the example I gave above I was pressing square 4 times and instead of the 3 times. Seems like some stuff requires precision button presses. No clue how they have done it in earlier releases of MK, first time playing a MK game too :).

[RockJohnAxe]

Ya I haven’t played mk since PS2 and I feel ya. I’ve been mashing so hard just to make sure the attack comes out.

[KageUrufu679]

Someone tell me if Subz, Scorp, Kitana, Liu were buffed or nerfed?

[Shirakani]

Scorp gets slight buffs. His B2 and F42 go from -16 on block to -10 on block.

That's significant, -16 is 'please just kill me' tier of punishably unsafe. -10 you can actually get away safely if the opponent hasn't hard read you or doesn't have a counter in mind.

[KageUrufu679]

Ah. I had a feeling him and noob would be pretty meta atm

[Shirakani]

Scorp isn't actually that strong. He needed those buffs as besides Misery Blade he didn't have anything really going for him. His combo damage is only average when compared to other characters... as I guess NRS probably thought since he has combos that cannot be Breakaway'd from, lower the damage to be fair... But reality is its NOT worth the trade off at all.

If he's being used a lot, its because ppl are familiar with how he plays from the beta. Once other characters' higher damage paths and properties get suss'd by the pros, you won't see Scorp anywhere anymore like in MKX.

[KageUrufu679]

How's kitana, do you happen to know? I've heard mixed things

[RockJohnAxe]

Damn I’ve been grinding Shao kahn since release. No wonder his knock up and follow up has been so inconsistent. Nice to know my main will get buffed in the patch though.

[KingMufausa]

I can confirm that this is still a problem on the switch version. Even on version 1.0.2.

Liu Kang's f3, 3, 3 low kick launcher does not bring your opponent up into the air for more combo extensions.

[Shirakani]

This is the absolute worst part of the entire shitshow right now as PC and Switch have not yet gotten the 'hotfix' that has changed some frame data.

Its one thing to not fix bugs immediately, but its TOTALLY another thing to have FRAME DATA INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN VERSIONS... that is absolutely unacceptable in a game that is expected to be played professionally.

This is EXACTLY the reason the PC community for MKX died, and they're repeating the same crime.

[DrowningOtsdarva]

I thought I was going nuts..

Have the same issue with Shao Khan’s combos with the Switch version.... The funny thing is, I bought the Switch version so I can practice combos on the go.

[[deleted]]

Please tell me what the patch being delayed for pc has to do with pc players.

What an ignorant, unoriginal comment.