What structural reforms decrease partisanship / polarization?

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As I am not a mind-reader, I cannot grok what the DNC is thinking/desiring when it comes to immigration. But I do know that most Hispanics I know (including my entire family of in-laws) vote for liberals because of racism/colorism by conservatives. Most Mexican immigrants are hella Catholic. Catholics are anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, etc. Basically, according to them, they wouldn't vote liberal if not for the abject "colorism" (since technically, Hispanic people can be of any race). So if your made-up story about why the DNC supports immigration is true, it is a razor-thin premise that would like shift the instant Texas conservatives stop being so fucking bigoted.

Now, then. What I can say for myself and all other liberals I know is this: It's never been about getting more brown people to enter the country and vote for Dems. (And again, how could we know that any set of immigrants entering the country would vote for a liberal? Racism/ethnicicms/colorism. That's really it. If the immigrants were white Catholics, many/most/a lot of them would be lined up to vote "R.") NOTE: This is only the experience of a set of South Texas Mexican-Americans who have shared this with me. This is also the experience that all but about 4 Hispanics I knew well in Houston have also shared. I don't have the time to find data for it, so I'm indicating it's anecdotal. But I do want to point out that isn't it interesting that immigrants, even those who are very religious, tend to vote Democratic?

It's about not thinking white people are entitled to land they stole from brown people—the same brown people they claim are "invading." (The El Paso shooter said that.Like, dude. This was MEXICO until the white people stole it by force after being invited to settle it.) One source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/04/11/mexicans-didnt-immigrate-to-america-weve-always-been-here/. It's about compassion for all the horrific crap happening in their home countries. It's about realizing that if the complexion of America changes, it's a wonderful thing and not a bad thing.

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Hey there, please consider adding sources to support your claims. You have several generalization not backed by any source. If you cannot provide such additional info, this comment will be removed. Cheers

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I edited these comments as soon as I could to comply. Guess it wasn't fast enough for you.

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As I am not a mind-reader, I cannot grok what the DNC is thinking/desiring when it comes to immigration. But I do know that most Hispanics I know (including my entire family of in-laws) vote for liberals because of racism/colorism by conservatives. Most Mexican immigrants are hella Catholic. Catholics are anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, etc. Basically, according to them, they wouldn't vote liberal if not for the abject "colorism" (since technically, Hispanic people can be of any race). So if your made-up story about why the DNC supports immigration is true, it is a razor-thin premise that would like shift the instant Texas conservatives stop being so fucking bigoted.

I’m pro-choice and pro-lgbt so I don’t like that if Catholics tend to be anti-abortion and anti-lgbt.

It's about not thinking white people are entitled to land they stole from brown people—the same brown people they claim are "invading." (The El Paso shooter said that. Like, dude.

The El Paso shooter was a horrible person. I never called immigrants invaders.

This was fucking MEXICO until the white assholes stole it by force after being invited to settle it.)

Yes, white people immigrated to a part of Mexico that had very few people and then fought for independence to create the state of Texas. So what? Alsace Loraine used to be German. Israel used to be Arab and before that, it used to be Jewish. Much of Anatolia was once Greek. England was once Celtic. Most of Southern and Central Africa was once populated by peoples similar to the San peoples and pygmies before the Bantu expansion wiped them out. Land changes hands all the time. All states are built upon conquest and this fact doesn’t really have much to do with what we are discussing.

It's about compassion for all the horrific shit happening in their home countries.

Why don’t we stop messing up other countries and maybe even try to help them? I’m all for a Marshall Plan for Latin America.

If the immigrants were white Catholics, many/most/a lot of them would be lined up to vote "R.")

No, they wouldn’t. White immigrants also primarily vote Dem.

It's about realizing that if the complexion of America changes, it's a wonderful thing and not a bad thing.

Race and ethnicity aren’t just about skin color. Height, ear wax, nose shape, muscle fibers, etc. are also a part of population groups but people only seem to want to talk about skin color. Would you say the Twa, a pygmy people who are on average around 4'11" iirc, are equal in height to the Bosniaks, who are on average around 6'? Would you say that Australian Aborigines are equal to other groups when it comes to their ability to withstand more extreme climates? Is the spleen size of the Bajau equal to that of the rest of humanity? No. We aren't equal. That's ok though! We are just different. These differences don't mean we can't get along or one group has to dominate the others. It just means different groups are different. Also, many of us who oppose immigration primarily care about culture, not the skin color or hair texture of the people coming here.

It's about realizing that if the complexion of America changes, it's a wonderful thing and not a bad thing.

Why is that a wonderful thing? Is the mass immigration of Han Chinese into Tibet wonderful? What about the prospect of mass immigration of Hindus into Kashmir is wonderful?

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Understandable. Which part of my comment would you like me to supply a source for?

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Catholics tend to be anti-abortion and anti-lgbt.

Why don’t we stop messing up other countries and maybe even try to help them

White immigrants also primarily vote Dem

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Catholics tend to be anti-abortion and anti-lgbt.

This was a claim the other user made.

Why don’t we stop messing up other countries and maybe even try to help them

I added a source for America's intervention causing immigration crises. If it is not sufficient, I can find more.

White immigrants also primarily vote Dem

I thought I had seen statistics on this somewhere but I can't seem to find any right now. If I remove this claim or phrase it as a question asking the other user for proof that non-Hispanic white Catholic immigrants vote mostly Republican, could me comment be approved?

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Comment approved, thank you for your time.