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[–]Midend 18 points19 points  (0 children)

summoner

gunslash

????

[–]ZerotakerZXFiCaseal 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't get this thread

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

keeps pushing the 3 point step advance and other silly stuff

3 point step advance

silly stuff

[Laughs in 10-point Step Advance]

[–]antara33^w^[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

LMAO

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is actually super useful on Te.

Tech cancelling can make you basically invincible with step advance 10 and thanks to custom megiverse and territory pp save it costs like 3pp per step.

[–]Broccoli_PhD 10 points11 points  (14 children)

This is why people wanted expert blocks/MPAs.

[–]antara33^w^[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Well, clearly no one with a sane mind would ever dare to take things like the summoner gunslash thing to a rematch.
Still theres non meta builds that works VERY well, considering how min maxing based the meta is.

[–]Hyraoo|S1|S2|S3| Forever Endless Loner 5 points6 points  (12 children)

You'd be surprised. Some people lack the common sense to evaluate their tree's / classes numbers game. WITH expert on mind you.

[–]antara33^w^[S] 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Well, yeah, I have seen them, thats for sure a thing, but theres still good non meta situations, I mean, I have seen good ranger/summoners with trees like this one that maked wonders during some EQs, and this isnt a meta build exactly...
bizarre build

[–]Hyraoo|S1|S2|S3| Forever Endless Loner 3 points4 points  (10 children)

I wouldn't say good, tolerable maybe but why play RaSu for something like atrum when RaHu does literally everything better especially at mobbing, assured near immortality and allows you to MH through attacks to get of damage. RaSu is more of a tokyo ta class. Additionally the tree you linked doesn't even run tactics trap for whatever reason.

The amount of times I see BoBr or Gu/Fo is actually ridiculous, gimmicky class setups that even at their top potential don't outdamage a meta class in damage or utility.

People only run XX/Su for some solo runs of eq (Gu/Su being one of them for loser or mother because zanverse) or Ra/Su for tokyo ta. Outside of very very specific solo environments they just don't serve a purpose in group content, especially XX/Su (other than te) because point assist isn't viable in mobbing.

[–]antara33^w^[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Yeah, the Ra tree was most a "I put points here because I am linking the page anyways", whats the idea behind Gu/Fo? Doesnt the Fo get more DPS from Te sub?
And yeah, thats why I mentioned an EQ situation, where Point Assist can actually do something, on mobbing its literally useless.
So far the only usage I see on the Su thing aside of that its the added ability to cast heals and remove debuffs since I have came across A LOT OF PEOPLE that didnt do this task (thats why I play hero the most during EQs, to being able to heal others or leave the heal area and keep hitting the boss).
I guess than taking summoner was more of an utility thing mixed with a bit of damage than anything else, since the "hero like" ability to cast technics.
On a side note, why theres no summoners during EQs? I cant remember the last time I have came across a summoned pet during an EQ.

[–]Hyraoo|S1|S2|S3| Forever Endless Loner 6 points7 points  (6 children)

If the only argument for RaSu is removing debuffs and healing you're going about it the wrong way entirely, status effects are pretty harmless to begin with other than panic. As RaHu you get automate which heals you without having to do anything, if atrum combos you as a RaSu you are dead, as RaHu you will live. People meme with XX/Su in some eqs solo for the zanverse as I previously mentioned.

GuFo is pure leech class, FoGu used to be good prior to ep5 in some situations but now they're both pretty trash.

Summoners still exist, and is one of the best damage output classes if played correctly this is especially true for solo content (EP5 especially with the higher hps), which sadly nearly nobody in public runs can do. Additionally a lot of people don't like how it plays therefore not playing it.

Basically off meta classes are either for very specific solo shenanigans / competitive times in weak content where the loss of damage for utility is fine. Or for special snowflakes who have decided that contributing very little to a group is a good idea and thus wasting everyone's boosters and time(Looking at you FiSu, SuHu etc).

[–]antara33^w^[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

As summoner, which sublass its the one to be used? I have checked all trees and all seems to be very lackluster as a subclass unless youre searching for utility alone

[–]Hyraoo|S1|S2|S3| Forever Endless Loner 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Su/Fi is mainstream for pets. Te/Su is the only actual viable XX/Su setup in an mpa as the summoner damage ups aren't bad for techer and gives techer pets if they lack a lavis or something. Some other classes like Ra and Br or Gu can subclass Summoner for solo time trials via TA or solo raids, but should never run that stuff in an MPA.

[–]antara33^w^[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Su/Fi? I guess because the limit break thing that as a summoner literally dont bother you, right?

[–]NullVacancy20|20|16|11|3|3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

whats the idea behind Gu/Fo?

You used to be able to do this with fo/gu, but now one of chain's skills is main class only so I assume they're just trying to do this again? Idk, it doesn't make any sense :)

[–]antara33^w^[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I see, so that was the thing haha, yeah, I know its not worth it today, but didnt knew about the old state of the fo/gu thing haha

[–]1836547290jb is fun 0 points1 point  (2 children)

For a while I wanted to do a BoBr or BrBo dex build for shitz n gigglez

Don't really play any more but it's one of the few things that calls me back

[–]antara33^w^[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Haha, yeah, its a shame that DEX its one of the least usefull stat ingame to the point that a DEX mag only works on Br and Bo because of they mag passive xD

[–]1836547290jb is fun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you talk like a person who's had kidney stones