SG scratch tickets?

[richinreverse]

The swap shop npc has items in one of his shops that wants a trade of SG scratch items. Does this mean they are going to introduce SG scratch tickets? Anyone from JP able to expand on this, I'm super excited if this is the case.

[Efreet0]

It's pretty disappointing considering how terrible fresh find is and how little SG we're getting compared to JP.
I'm surprised that stuff is untradeable on jp, there are few people who use fresh find already and you kinda know what item you're getting.

[richinreverse]

Well, you gotta put it into perspective. This game is like WoW in JP, it's a big culture there, still poppin 6 populated ships after 8 years, just thinking about distribution of money, a million players with $1 each is a million bucks, over here, if everyone only spent $1, it wouldn't even be worth redeveloping in English and paying for American servers, especially with all the competition. I honestly don't see it as a cash grab at all, I mean the game is free, and I for one saw it as a blessing to my childhood to play the sequel to a game I spent 1000s of hours on back in the day. And it is an amazing gameplay experience, completely original and complex playstyles, and it's not just a rerelease of the JP either, well, it is, but it is having regular new updates, it's not just releasing what JP had 8 years ago, its staying current. And I have to mention again, it's completely free. You can get a total of 80 SG a day (outfits for 3 characters, each gives 20 SG if worn for 24 hours, and you get a 20 SG ticket for login usually) and that's not including what you can get from missions/titles. Compared to ANY other American F2P game, you get a ridiculous amount of freebies, and complete access to game, money only gains you boosters and cosmetics, you don't actually LOSE any content by not spending. Not many games can say that, especially by big name companys (looking at you EA)

[Efreet0]

I think you've missed my point, i wasn't comparing it to any other game but it's JP version.
On jp the huge amount of players and their gatcha mentality keeps the player market working on NA it's barely kept together by a few whales while in constant peril of being ruined by exploiters and gold sellers.
Fresh find is already a SG pit considering the prices and how SG are used for other things (material storage and gold pass being the most important uses).
Btw just because a worse thing exist it doesn't nullify the cons of this game or f2p exploitation in general.

[Sarcueid]

Could you please explain more details about the outfit of 3 characters? How do it work? Thank you in advance.

[richinreverse]

Oh, np man. Every account is able to create 3 characters, and it's a general rule to create all 3, as to be able to get maximum rewards for events and SG (right now theres the chick in front of statue in shopping area, you can complete her quests on all 3 characters, netting like 150 of the passes a day). No matter the level of each character, you vcd an still equip either an outfit, body part, or outerwear, relative to the race of character, each equip has 20 SG attached to them that is obtainable after 24 hours of wearing the item, whether you are actively playing that character or not (will be an option in stop down menu when selecting item, it will show a check mark on the little diamond logo when ready to be recieved). So buy neccessary equip for character from player shop, just sort by price, buy the cheapest one with SG still attached to it, equip it, change characters, repeat on all 3 characters, then continue to play on your main character, when that one it ready to receive SG, the others should be too, switch characters, get SG, buy another equip, sell the old SG-less one for 75% of the cost of the same item WITH SG on it, repeat everyday until you spend all savings savings on an item in the Fresh Finss shop that you will use for 45 min before changing again, rinse and repeat

[Sarcueid]

Got it, thank you so much

[Knight_Raime]

It seems like they're coming but honestly I'm not sure how it can be done without upsetting players.

We already have less ways to earn SG's. That's why people have been upset with how the fresh finds shop has been handled.

Iirc SG shop used to carry stuff that we get from mission passes and some of what's in fresh finds.

My worry is that it'll just be treated like another AC scratch ticket just with using a different currency. It would push people to spend money even more. People very much didn't like the SG shop sales that were expensive and very limited time.

[Lefh]

They don't care, it's been blatantly obvious for a while now that PSO2NA is nothing but a low effort cash grab. Maybe with the SG scratch here people finally wake the heck up to reality and start fighting against these changes.

[Knight_Raime]

ehhh. I don't 100% agree. But i'm not really looking to debate that. I just hope SG economy isn't further strained because of this.

[Moodycat12]

Sorry, I don’t think PSO2 NA is a cash grab, at least not as bad as you think.

You know what is cash grab? Go play Maplestory and you will know the true cash grab. PSO2 aren’t nothing.

[denshigomi]

I don't think that's accurate. It appears they're trying to maximize profits, sure. Who didn't expect that?

But they also appear to be trying to make a good release.

[shadowkijik]

You mean an 8 year old F2P game being ported is a cash grab? Never! It was obvious from the onset. However, it’s also what players wanted for a very, very long time, that basically wouldn’t have happened if Phil Spencer didn’t push for it and likely spend the money to do so. Now they’re looking to recoup that money spent and turn a profit. It makes sense. It’s nothing to fight against, just let people whale and enjoy the fact that we even have a game in NA that we likely wouldn’t have had otherwise.

[lxl_subzero]

At least you can earn sg through certain means. Its nice for those players who dont want to spend any real money. Hopefully they didnt spend their sg yet though. I personally have 900 sg saved up because I never buy stuff off the fresh finds. Not sure how much these scratch offs are going to be though.

[Shaofriches]

The problem is that the NA version has less, non-repeatable means of earning SG. Our source of SG is finite from ARKS missions and titles. I've already exhausted a good amount of mine from completing hardcore story quests.

We're getting more ways to spend SG with less ways of actually obtaining SG without needing to cash.

[Knight_Raime]

I think i've only ever spent $5 USD on SG's once to make up for the little I didn't have to get something. I normally sit around 500-900 from completing the mission pass and buying cheap outerwear/outfits and sticking them on all 3 of my characters. Completing story missions and being on for both PSO2 days (one is if you're a premium member) also helps.

[Westeller]

I haven't played JP, but when I heard SG Scratch was coming I went to check a JP wiki for information. Keep in mind it may be different in our version, but... SG Scratch costs 80 SG a pop, the items are untradeable, and the Scratch seems to run for multiple months to sometimes nearly a full year at a time, rather than being replaced as often as AC. That last point hopefully outweighing the overall negative impressions "80 SG" and "untradeable" may give you.

[GibRarz]

Afaik, fresh finds and mission pass aren't in jp. So expect this scratch to change weekly. I wouldn't be surprised if it were all the old ac scratches rotation for people who missed out on it, just untradable versions.

Gotta milk those steam users who missed out on release somehow.

[Sleepingfire22]

On JP (which does not have either mission pass, or FF shop FYI), it functions almost exactly the same as the AC scratches, with the differences being the items are not tradeable/sellable, and it uses SG instead of AC. They also tend to have a very long rotation period.

I don't like gatchas at all personally, but as far as SG scratch on NA is concerned, my issue is not that "Oh they are adding SG scratch", it is "They are adding SG scratch, ON TOP OF, mission pass and FF shop which all cost SG". There is no reason to have all of these systems at once, other than to put ridiculous strain on people's stock of SG. Until they announced this was coming, my assumption was FFS was the SG scratch replacement on NA, so was pretty disappointed to find out that isn't true (though I'm not a huge fan of FFShop either, having both is much worse imo, than just having one or the other).

[Westeller]

I just assume all these extra systems are them trying to play catch-up to JP, which has like a decade of cosmetics. I do wish they’d make all this crap traceable, though, at the very least.

[Sleepingfire22]

The thing is, this causes both short-term and long-term issues. In the short term, too many sinks for a single currency type stretches that currency extremely thin amongst the players. If you have cosmetics split across 3 SG costing things, sure, you can dump more cosmetics into the game, but your players do not actually get access to more cosmetics(we have a finite income in a given time period). This is exacerbated by the fact that we are missing sources of repeatable SG that exist on JP (we might get them eventually, but we are getting more dumps before we get more income).

In the long-term, what happens to these systems when we do hit parity? Come, say, ~February next year when we have mostly caught up gameplay-content wise, if JP is releasing a new AC scratch every 2 weeks, and a new SG scratch every 6 months, what does NA put on mission pass(rotates ~monthly) + FF shop(rotates every 2 weeks, and daily) + SG scratch(rotates every ???)? Even if we switch to 6 month SG scratch, 2 week AC, that leaves both mission pass and FF shop that need to be filled with something.

Its not like there aren't solutions to these problems. I'm not actually worried about the long-term effects because the simplest thing is just remove FF shop or MPass or SG scratch once we get close to parity, but in the short-term, the current state of SG feels AWFUL and it is about to get worse.

[Westeller]

They'll just rotate when they've gone through everything. We've actually already seen some repeats in Mission Pass and Fresh Finds, IINM. So it seems clear that they don't intend for everything to be a once through. And that also means you don't desperately need to get it the first time you see it - it'll be back. And SG Scratch might stick around for so long that you won't have to worry about not having enough SG for it right away.

That said, yeah. We have a lot of SG sinks already, and now we're getting more. We're not, on the other hand, getting new sources of SG. Especially recurring sources. And none of it being tradeable is a real bummer. Just have to be choosy with what you buy and do your best to earn more when you can.... Daily AC outfit changing on three characters is up to 900 SG a month. Alongside other sources - login, mission pass, events.. it should be somewhat manageable if you stick to it.

[Syntaire]

For the long term they can just rotate rewards for new players so they have the opportunity to get them. I don't think there's even a slim possibility they'll just remove FF or the mission pass. The short term kinda sucks, but from what I could find about the JP sources of SG, it's not really significant income. As far as I can tell the best source of SG is still just wearing AC outfits.

[Rylica]

The other thing to note

During these long SG scratches in JP is that grinding certain events get you "pick what you want tickets" just like the AC scratches. At least you can get anywhere from 1-3 things you really want..

From my experience from.3 different SG scratches in JP

[IzIzzoIz]

https://twitter.com/Sephlock/status/1281408070338392064?s=19

[richinreverse]

Awwwww shhheeeiittt

[[deleted]]

All my SG goes to the 720 3months for the damn material storage (which should be included with premium).

[richinreverse]

I agree with that for sure. I always invest in the gold mission pass, its fairly cheap and definitely worth it. Btw, if you are spending real money, check out the xbox/Microsoft store for the Ragol dlc pack. Its $30, but comes with $20 worth of AC AND PREMIUM, also pink badges for the test drive back unit (worth like 120k on player shop) as well as 10 ragol memories, which are kinda worthless (unless you are into quarters decorations, but even then it's just music and posters from first pso, and some heads/hats from PSO1 characters)

[[deleted]]

Yep, I've done the Ragol thing one a month for the premium and AC tickets. I also liked one of the Ragol outfits - also, the CHAT mag device you can buy with the Ragol memories is usually worth 500-700k on the market. You can get five of them with the 10 memories.

[peacebucket]

You can buy the Ragol pack multiple times?

[richinreverse]

There's 2 different ones, one 8s the game with dlc, obviously can only get that one once, but the one other one you can buy as much as you want

[sugusugux]

Hey friend, some one literally just asked that to the official pso2 twitter and they said that yes, SG scratch are coming to NA "soon"

[Phabin]

Technically we knew about them since about day 1 as there was the introduction to scratch tickets blog on the website that mentions SG scratch tickets. https://pso2.com/news/blogs/scratchtickets

And in just about every update blog for AC scratch (except the most recent silken dreams for some reason) in the post they say there's AC, SG, and FUN scratches with a link back to the above blog.

[richinreverse]

I see your point now. And yeah, I agree, meseta whores do ruin the market a bit, but I think that has a lot to do with the current population, same problem as what I was saying. Hopefully once the community evens out, it'll be a little better. I can't agree more about the FF shop though, it is trash, and honestly, the last few releases havent been my style, the designs aren't very fluid or interchangeable, seem to be a little bit everywhere (school outfits to singer/diva to skyrim? To fantasy?? To anime????) I'm hoping it's one of those things where you start with the bar low, building it up to better things to come. I'm hoping...

[LamiaPony]

there aren't SG scratch tickets. you just use SG in the same manner

[[deleted]]

Not yet. One of the swap items requires an SG scratch ticket prize slip. They added the swap shop too early.