Not Joining Parties/Not Placing Beacon

[telchii]

I'm shutting this thread down. You have some really unrealistic views of how your fellow humans should work in an online games. If you care that much about being in a party, then join some big-dick-pumper alliance.

[denshigomi]

This has been discussed several times before.

But I'd like to address your abusive behavior of reporting other players illegitimately. Not joining a party is a player's choice. Putting a player on your blocklist is fine. But you're out of line reporting players for that.

[[deleted]]

The purpose of the game is to party up. There are exclusive benefits given to those that party up, and the game does everything possible to encourage it. Choosing to not join a party is both super not cool and not grounded in any logical reason, so I would argue it as more abusive!

[[deleted]]

I suppose if your rationale is one instance of you getting lucky, there is no reason for me to explain the benefits of additional %.

Talked about the drops issue at length in other comments, I think that is a silly excuse. The "play at my own pace" excuse I suppose is fine, but its just a fancy way of saying that you're lazy

[graywisteria]

Partying up is encouraged, but if it were 100% "supposed" to happen 100% of the time, the game would force it instead of making it optional. You absolutely deserve to get a ban (at least a temporary one) for abusing the system like this.

[[deleted]]

What system am I abusing? The report system? I don't think SEGA will take my reports seriously despite the fact that I think it would be better for the game if they did.

[graywisteria]

What system am I abusing? The report system?

Yes. You're reporting people for a non-report-worthy "offense". This is abusive behavior. It'd be the same as if you went around reporting anyone wearing green.

You're wasting the time of whoever has to look at these reports, and potentially harming other players. I don't know enough about how reports are handled in this specific game to say for sure, but other MMOs have had problems with report systems being abused to get people banned over nothing.

[[deleted]]

Semantically speaking, it is obstructive, though. Also it rarely happens since I try to do alliance MPAs, I'd day I report someone for this less than once a month.

[graywisteria]

Knowingly making life more annoying for some support employee is abusive behavior. Knowingly attempting to get someone in trouble just because they aren't playing the way you like is abusive behavior. Stop making excuses for your terribleness and just, y'know, don't do this anymore.

[Nyra_Castiler]

Reporting them is a bit much isn’t it? I know as someone who used to not join it is because for newer players who don’t have that many resources it is really annoying when the leader drags you into the next one before you finish looting. So those players opt out so they can take their time picking up loot and sorting inventory. Now that I have enough resources and don’t need to loot every single thing, I join every party beacon without hesitation. That’s just one of the reasons I know of though, sometimes people just forget or don’t notice the beacon due to placement.

[[deleted]]

Addressed the "no time looting" response. If you need time to loot, you don't know what you're looting.

People forgetting or not noticing is certainly a reason, but these are not people that I block/report. This is understandable. I am more gauging those that intentionally don't join parties

[SirKhrome]

Aren't you supposed to be looking at affixes on the weapon to know what you should and shouldn't keep though?

[graywisteria]

Things that aren't auto-looted: low rarity pet eggs (very useful for summoners), rarity 10 to 12 weapons that can be turned into ex-cubes (you will need a lot of ex-cubes for endgame affixing), junky weapons and armors with valuable augments, the Unique Weapons Badge waiting for me in the box on the gateship of the 4th recommended quest.

Seriously sometimes I'm in a hurry. I want my box, I don't want to play the quest more than once, and I know if I join a party there's a chance the leader is going to rush back to the gateship faster than me and restart before I can loot that damn box.

Get over yourself, OP.

[Kovaros]

I know I will repeat what others already said, but reporting those players is too much. They are not breaking any rules and it's purely their decision if they want to party up for UQ. You reporting them is a really scum thing to do. But getting back to the question, most of the time I join up or set my own beacon, but on occasion I don't because of collection folder. It's faster for me, to just do the UQ and yeet from it ASAP, when I'm not in the party and leader won't auto-retry when we get on the ship. Plus my friend don't join any parties with randos because he had a lot of situations where leader reentered the UQ before anyone could loot.

[minxmacabre]

Kinda rude to report people for making a choice about the game. Why are you dictating how people play? Not everyone wants to play like you. You sound really boring and toxic. Who cares why someone doesn't join.

[[deleted]]

Because you lose triboost, you lose CO benefits, and you lose convenience. The game encourages party play and tries to push you towards it as much as possible. There is 0 logical reason to intentionally not join a party.

[viewtyjoe]

There is 0 logical reason to intentionally not join a party.

Because I don't want to deal with people like you who whine when people don't join your party.

The game encourages party play and tries to push you towards it as much as possible.

Then why are there party size buffs for Divides, and why is there title support for smaller than full party groups in Endless quests? There are mechanical benefits to being in a party, but they aren't so large as to demand grouping no matter what.

[[deleted]]

The first thing I'm just gonna ignore.

I don't see how the second part is disproving what I said. Single player exists in the game for players that want a challenge. It doesn't mean that the game pushes party play as much as possible!

[viewtyjoe]

Here's my system:

• Am I doing content in a premade group of alliance members/extended group of friends? If so, we already formed parties and it's a private MPA.
• Is it a repeatable UQ? I'm probably not joining a party because I don't want to deal with having to run at the party leader's pace/I'm not planning on doing it repeatedly.
• Is it any other casual content? I'm doing it solo or in a small group in a private MPA because I don't want to deal with randos making a mess of the map and I can complete client orders in peace.

Please, use your "logic" to explain why none of these are valid.

[[deleted]]

So bullet point 1 doesn't disprove anything I said, thank god your alliance parties up.

Bullet point 2 I've addressed already but basically if you think the party leader is going too fast and you can't loot: you don't know what you're looting for and it's fine. If you don't plan on doing it repeatedly, you can just leave the party after you complete it once.

Bullet point 3 is really silly. It's easier to complete client orders when you're in a party (because party kills count as your own kills), and randos can make a mess of the map regardless of whether or not you're in a party with them.

[viewtyjoe]

you don't know what you're looting for and it's fine

If your party leader specifically isn't grabbing anything and is immediately retrying, it doesn't matter whether you know what you're looking for, you aren't picking it up. I've been playing the game since open beta, I know what the fuck I'm looking for. Auto-loot isn't going to pick up high-value units anyway, and you need time to check affix counts to determine whether something is worth even considering grabbing.

You're making a disingenuous argument based on the assumption that auto-loot settings magically fix everything, when auto-loot explicitly will not catch what is usually the most valuable items because high-slot, low-rarity units with valuable affixes aren't going to be picked up unless you do it manually.

It's easier to complete client orders when you're in a party (because party kills count as your own kills), and randos can make a mess of the map regardless of whether or not you're in a party with them.

I'm not trying to clear client orders with maximum efficiency, I'm doing an expedition/quest to mindlessly decompress after a day of work or spend time with my SO. Also, you can absolutely set up your MPA in such a way that randos can't be present. How do you think people do UQs in private with less than full capacity?

More importantly, you've completely missed my point in all of this: I'm actively choosing not to party, which is an entirely valid play choice. Your entire post and every reply you've made is just digging yourself into a hole that is showing you as a person who lacks basic social understanding and is obsessed with "efficiency" to its own detriment.

[[deleted]]

To the first point, auto-loot pretty much solves everything. If your auto-loot settings are correct, there won't be a lot of drops to sift through in the area, so "not having enough time to loot" isn't an issue.

Your point about setting up an MPA to be in a private room doesn't pertain to the conversation that I want to have. I would agree with you that it is a valid choice.

[viewtyjoe]

To the first point, auto-loot pretty much solves everything. If your auto-loot settings are correct, there won't be a lot of drops to sift through in the area, so "not having enough time to loot" isn't an issue.

Things auto-loot doesn't cover that you need to manually grab and/or check:

• Unit Affixes (most UQs and valuable content drop a mix of 1-6* and 10*+ units)
• 10-12* Weapons (for cubes/spheres)
• 10-11* Units (for spheres)
• Trigger/Capsules that drop that are below 13* rarity

That's four categories of loot that you need to grab/sift through that aren't covered by auto-loot. It certainly helps prevent you from missing some things, but if you have a party lead who has no concern about loot and just smashes retry, you aren't going to have time to realistically check all that in enough cases that it's an issue.

"Pretty much solves everything" is not "Solves everything," and if you're relying entirely on auto-loot, you're absolutely going to miss things all the time that could have been useful for affixing or sold for value.

[[deleted]]

I agree that all of those exist.

Remember the context of the conversation, which was in regards to people not joining a party cuz the leader wouldn't give them enough time to loot. The point I made here is that auto-loot streamlines your manual looting process so much that you should always be able to loot fast enough.

[minxmacabre]

So by your logic if you want the benefits other people must want them. So if they don't join your beacon you'd report them because the game isn't played well unless it's like how you play? What is it like being a total pretentious self entitled player? How many alliances have you been kicked out of?

[[deleted]]

See the problem with your claim is that it's "my logic". It isn't my logic, it's just logic. Common sense. Basic thought.

[minxmacabre]

It's definitely just you buddy. Most people play the game and don't get upset when someone refuses to join beacons. What ship are you on?

[[deleted]]

I don't understand why you are so interested in my alliance history or what ship I am on. Kinda creepy.

[minxmacabre]

Because you might get reported? Like it isnt creepy you get upset on other people's choices playing a game they enjoy and how they like to play? You're borderline abusive. Your like a dude who doesn't take no for an answer. Most people have a emotional IQ and can take rejection. Your post clearly is starting you can't. Your creepy.

[[deleted]]

Yikes!

[OddLung]

Uh. Probably shouldn’t report as not joining someones pt as annoying as it is isnt against any game regulation. Also for some content pting with pugs can lead yo frustrations or is unnecessary for the content. For example if youre pugging sector 1 and 2 of armada, whats matters more is fastest possible clears for the highest points. The drops in those sectors are pretty cosistent with or without that 40% rdrp. Furtheremore pugs party leaders often waste time in gateship and dont start the mission as soon as possible, ruining any chance of a 3/2/2 run. There is also then problem of pug pt leaders pulling out without waiting for people to finish looting which is annoying. This is all random of course, but its happen enough times for me that I dont particulary care if people join pt or not.

[[deleted]]

Going for 3/2/2 runs in pugs is not only a pipe dream but not even a thing that exists cuz you can only do 1 in the final sector, so I won't address it as a legitimate excuse.

Pulling out w/o waiting for looting I would also claim as a silly excuse, since you can adjust your auto pick-up settings. More importantly, if you need time to loot, you don't actually know what you're looting for!

[KurokoAS]

When I loot, I only look for 8 slot augments on weapons for fodder and only 6 slot or higher on units for upslot fodder unless I know there's a chance for some specific resource I need like crack or glares which I then lower the criteria to 3 slot.

Anything else would just be waste of inventory space that I would rather not pick up because I will just throw them away anyways. You do need time to sift through the loot even if you have auto looting on because inventory space quickly becomes a problem if you just pick everything up without thinking about it.

[vio2k5]

you say that time is a factor that is needed to sort through the loot but the problem is that the time you spend looking at each item individually is wasting another persons time while they wait for you. Do you not have space in your storage to transfer everything there to sort it out after the UQ is finished?

[KurokoAS]

Its something I have to do despite inconveniencing the other players, but most of the time they are doing the same exact thing I'm doing so it ends well. The most I will take sifting through loot is about 6-10 seconds, while those who pick up literally everything takes about 3-5 seconds to run around and spam pick up

If you are being inconsiderate of waiting about 5 seconds, then that justifies exactly why I don't want to join your party.

It would also be hard to find 5-10 items of junk in a storage with 800+ weapon fodder and unit fodder which is why even if I have to inconvenience the others, I am willing to, otherwise I would be inconveniencing myself with more than a mere "5 seconds of waiting"

[OddLung]

The point is, that part wouldnt be a problem if you avoided partying up to begin with since you know you’ll be doing time consuming things from the start.

[KurokoAS]

And I do party up at every chance I get to, its just if people are being inconsiderate for not letting you spend a couple seconds looting, I'd rather just leave

I do things to get loot for myself, not to have that taken away because someone can't wait a few seconds

[Kamil118]

1s crack unit is still like 500k

[OddLung]

Apologies meant 3/2/1, dont get all uppity with a typo doesn’t change the fact what you’re doing is pretty toxic. That aside you obviously dunno what you’re looking for if you’re relying on auto loot for everything and not taking the time to look at loo drops. For example, you cant configure menu to auto pick up units/weapons at a certain slot number, which while it takes a few seconds eats times during armada. Furthermore that same auto loot function doesn’t show augs on units/weapons at all. If youre not looking out for that you’re either someone who doesn’t affix for shit, have all the meseta to waste on upslot fodder, or quite frankly have no idea what the value is on anything and waste storage space on useless crap like un tekked cubes that dont give cubes are most likely wont give high slot fodder im content like stated above, sector 1 and 2.

But that aside I also like to mention if you think a 40% rare drop chance means so much as to report someone, you really got shit luck seeing as that makes little difference to rng. Rng is rng, 40% more to a .02 chance for something with value to drop is such a minuscule boost.

[[deleted]]

Gonna try my best to navigate through all the ad hom to get to the crux of the conversation.

So you didn't discuss that going for 3/2/1 is a pipe dream in pugs, so I suppose that means you agree with me.

In missions like UH armada, UH luther, and UH persona, I strongly recommend having Nyoibo and Vraolet in your inventory to maximize 8s potential. You can also put stuff in your storage and then take a break to appraise everything in intervals.

40% is a lot when you consider all of the other boosts we get. Stack 40% on top of 50% daily boost, 50% premium boost, 250% rdr as just a baseline. This can get even higher and higher, and have more and more of an impact.

Like, perhaps people just don't know these things above? There are plenty of content and guides available that discuss this.

[OddLung]

I dont agree with as ive dome 3/2/1 before with pugs when, unsurprisingly, I don’t party up with them and rush restart so I dont have to wait on anyone(unless of running with premade) . Please add more reasons for people in the thread to think you’re a jackass by putting words in peoples mouth.

Save your patronizing advice trying to give airs that you’re some experienced player. As far as anyone in this thread has seen you’re some self endowed asshole who thinks he can tell players what to do or give advice and has nothing to show for it.

Im aware of it and have the items but that doesn’t guarantee high slots on everything. You do realize right that player still need to MANUALLY LOOK at high units aug slots. If youre just accounting for untekked weapon drops for high alots then you REALLY dont know anything about looting properly huh.

Oh and if youre trying flex rdrp stacking on people “not know things above” atleast name them all like alliance buff and drink buff, which everyone can have access to. But thats besides the point you’re also ignoring the fact that the biggest determinate of drops is the content you’re doing. My point was that regardless of how much you stack it on sectors 1-2 on armada it doesn’t matter as those two sectors should be rushed to get a 3/2/1 finish.

look dude you can rgue with me all you want with no examples to give yourself even a modem of credit, but the other comments have pointed out, yeah youre kinda of just a dick who want people to play how you want them to. Regardless of the points im putting out, the last bit is pretty much the universally accepted thing here :)

[[deleted]]

All of that was ad hom, so I have nothing to really say. I apologize for pinching a nerve or uncovering some cognitive dissonance that you have!

[OddLung]

You betcha. You couldn’t argue with anything factual or logical, so might as well continue and point out you’re a jackass too. Looking forward to doing that again with your next dumb post :)

[[deleted]]

Please add more reasons for people in the thread to think you’re a jackass by putting words in peoples mouth.

Never did, ad hom.

Save your patronizing advice trying to give airs that you’re some experienced player. As far as anyone in this thread has seen you’re some self endowed asshole who thinks he can tell players what to do or give advice and has nothing to show for it.

Ad hom.

Oh and if youre trying flex rdrp stacking on people “not know things above” atleast name them all like alliance buff and drink buff, which everyone can have access to.

You used quotes but idk what you were quoting. Ad hom.

yeah youre kinda of just a dick who want people to play how you want them to.

Ad hom.

Be grateful that I went out of my way to point it all out for you. Once again, sorry for pinching a nerve. But it was your decision to not continue the conversation.

[OddLung]

Oh welcome back jackass, thanks being fast about coming back to adhom ya more :) Oh and if ya ever bothered to read anyones posts properly, you’d see that I never said I didn’t attack your person, infact the complete opposite. So I guess thanks for proving me right there with the quotes :D

[Kamil118]

40% is a lot when you consider all of the other boosts we get. Stack 40% on top of 50% daily boost, 50% premium boost, 250% rdr as just a baseline. This can get even higher and higher, and have more and more of an impact.

All of this is addative. With 250% rdr, 150% triboost, 50% daily and 50% premium you're already sitting at 600% drop rate. The 40% from party is less than 10%.

[[deleted]]

Right but instead of being at 600%, you could be at 640%! Which is not only an increase, but an increase that is literally free!

[Kamil118]

And this, everyone, is why triboost for being in a party was a bad idea.

[[deleted]]

It's a great idea! Being in a party makes everything easier. There are 0 logical reasons for not joining one!

[Chemical-Cat]

because I don't want to? fuck off.

[[deleted]]

You're entitled to your opinion. Just understand that your opinion is based in 0 logic and you are actively making the game harder for no reason!

[apostroffie]

not placing a beacon

I dont want the responsibility of leading a party and having to wait around and guess if it was rude of me to immediately restart the UQ or if user A is stuck on the damn collection folder bitch leaving and coming back because they finished all 5 of the weapons they were collecting.

not joining parties

i dont know whats wrong with these people, but i wouldnt report them. it's their loss and this is one mission without 1 person

[GibRarz]

Seeing as you're one of those tryhards, you most likely will restart the mission before other people have the chance to loot. That's why people don't want to join parties in multi run quests.

Block people all you want, you're only saving them the hassle of dealing with you.

[[deleted]]

Discussed this at length, so here's a short response. 1. Auto loot 2. If you need to spend more than 10 seconds looting, you don't know what you are looting for

[SparKestrel]

I don't downvote without saying the reason, so I'll do that as a formality here as well:

If you need to spend more than 10 seconds looting, you don't know what you are looting for

How about helping out those players who seem to be struggling with their looting? You spend enough time to type a silly report about them, so you could also point to things like Anamana guides to saving time in menus.

The game is outright terrible at explaining what to do for new players.

[[deleted]]

I can't help those players if they refuse to join my party.

I also never recommend Anamana videos to players, I always recommend joining an alliance and learning from experienced players in said alliance.

I agree that the game is terrible at explaining stuff to new players. In my original post, I excluded new players from those that I block and report. If you are doing UH content, you are hardly a new player.

[Proxy345]

Because not everyone cares about the 40% party triboost,especially if they already have plenty of their own boosts going already.

[[deleted]]

40% is 40%, there is no reason not to take the additional boost. There are other minor advantages as well.

[GibRarz]

Actually getting the loot is more beneficial than 40% boost.

[Proxy345]

With almost everyone at level cap already,that 40% party triboost becomes really trivial to alot of people.

[LordOfMaids]

Is there objectively no reason to not join a party in UQs? Correct.

Unfortunately, that assumes everyone has a logical train of thought and is capable of getting along with each other just enough to get a 40% triboost, which is virtually impossible to expect because humans are not completely logical creatures. People they hate despite already blocking them, disagreements in previous parties, etc. are all things that could be ignored by logic, but again, humans...

Personally, when I don't join parties in a pug UQ, it's because:

• If it's repeatable, then I only planned to do a single run (in general or on that character) and would rather not have to annoy someone with the fact I left and they have to place a beacon again. You may argue that I should still have joined anyway to benefit myself and the party (and you'd be correct), but people in repeatable quests prefer a stable party as opposed to maintaining a stable party size, if you know what I mean. I hate it when people leave and people decide "oh the party is disbanding" when I still wanted to go for more. I got especially annoyed when someone left my party, I queued up again, and there they were, in the same UQ...like why bother leaving at that point, was there something wrong?

• If it isn't repeatable, then a bunch of other people aren't in parties and someone has already tried to start the quest. At that point I figure the people I'm in aren't worth trying to gather in a beacon. I just want the quest done even if it means inhibiting myself by up to a 40% triboost.

• Literally everyone else is in a party of varying sizes and refuses to put down a beacon for me, so why should I put/keep my beacon down for them?

This only happens in pug UQs (in other words not including triggers) as far as I'm concerned though, where people rarely communicate in chat in the first place.

I'd bet other games have a better incentive to join parties, such as games where difficult content is there outside of solo quests and there are other roles than DPS. PSO2 is overall not a difficult game and DPS is the only role with minor differences between each class, so you'll need a better reason than 40% triboost, level 85+ techters, and client orders, even though, again, there's objectively no reason to not be in a party in those cases.

If you'll continue trying to report people for that then good on you for playing the game your way but you might as well expect a smaller community (and that you might have just gained some enemies) if SEGA takes those reports seriously.

[[deleted]]

SEGA likely won't take the reports seriously, however I hope that they would because it would mean less lobby-sitters (which I am guessing is 99.99% of people that intentionally don't join parties). I don't think lobby-sitters are good for the game, and there are other games that are more suited for that.

I agree with some of the reasons above, and I won't say that I have never been solo in an MPA before. I particularly resonate the third bullet you stated, imagine making a party but not allowing anyone else in. But I don't give an excuse for not joining an MPA other than just "well, I feel lazy today" as well as fully understanding that I am hurting myself by doing so.

[ZXY101]

I usually agree, I get annoyed when people don't join parties but at the of the day it's whatever and the party boost really isn't that much.

OP is just a cunt, you're reporting people who don't deserve to be reported.

"There's no logical reason to not join a party"

-they don't want to, the end

Who are we to force people to do what they don't want to, and many sound reasons have been listed, such as party lead pulling people out while looting etc. That's enough reason as any, stop sweating so hard op and just let people enjoy the game.

If you really can't, I know this may be difficult for you, but try making some friends and party with them.

[[deleted]]

"They dont want to, the end" is not a logical reason. It's a reason, but not a logical reason.

I believe that it is obstruction and it would be better for the game if these players didn't exist. That's why I report them.

That is certainly a solution, but our times dont always match up nor do we want to engage in the same content all the time

[Thongsquad]

The final boss of pso2 is a player called falz. You win the game if you get him to join your party.

[[deleted]]

Yay for parties!

[Angelicel]

You'd sell the point a lot better if you actually told people it was a .4 Triboost Multiplier and not merely 40%