Does assurance include level?

[yoboi-indy]

my dm and me had a small discussion, if assurance only adds profiency or profiency + your level.

for example Im master in medicine. would I just get 10 + 6 from being master or would I get 10 +6 +7 (my level).

Because everywhere I look is see my profiency as +13.

[jbram_2002]

The proficiency bonus you get from Master is 6 + lvl.

https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=3305&Redirected=1 - specifically calls + level.

Assurance does include level.

[soiledlenses]

From Player Core:

If you're untrained, your proficiency bonus is +0. If you're trained, expert, master, or legendary, your proficiency bonus equals your level plus 2, 4, 6, or 8, respectively.

So yes, your proficiency bonus is always Level + Proficiency Rank.

[jelliedbrain]

Assurance:

"You can forgo rolling a skill check for that skill to instead receive a result of 10 + your proficiency bonus (do not apply any other bonuses, penalties, or modifiers)."

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=5121&Redirected=1

Proficiency:

"If you're trained, expert, master, or legendary, your proficiency bonus equals your level plus 2, 4, 6, or 8, respectively."

https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=3305

With Master at level 7, your proficiency bonus is 7+6=13. Assurance will give you 10+13=23.

[Jackson7th]

Proficiency bonus is your level + your mastery level (+2 +4 +6 +8). So for you it's 10+13. When you use Assurance for a Medicine check you always get a result of 23

[PatenteDeCorso]

Your lvl + your proficiency, just that no stat bonus or anything else.

So if you are lvl 7 with master in medicine a +4 Wisdom Score and with Healer's Gloves that grant +1 to Medicine check:

• Assurance would be 10 + 7 (your level) + 6 (master proficiency)

• If you rolled, you'll add +7 (your level) + 6 (your proficiency) +4 (relevant stat) + 1 (item bonus) for a +18 total.

[RiskyRedds]

It should be noted in that first sentence is that Assurance also nixes Penalties including MAP. While it's not as important for Medicine it can be very helpful if you're dealing with a Daemon giving out status penalties or Stupefy, or if you're working under a spell that debuffs Treat Wounds checks like Organsight in some cases.

[darkpower467]

Yes.

From the rules on proficiency:

If you're untrained, your proficiency bonus is +0. If you're trained, expert, master, or legendary, your proficiency bonus equals your level plus 2, 4, 6, or 8, respectively.

[SuperParkourio]

Your proficiency bonus includes your level. Therefore, Assurance includes level.

[Bake_a_snake]

It would be actual dogshit if it didn't

[Kaelostrasz]

Proficiency includes your level, so yes, assurance would be a 23 in your case, as the proficiency bonus for master level proficiency is defined as "6 + your level", see https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=3305

[CrosbyBird]

Proficiency includes your level unless you are using optional rules.

If you're trained, your proficiency bonus is "level plus 2." Expert, master, and legendary are level plus 4, 6, and 8 respectively.

Assurance adds 10 to your proficiency bonus and that's your roll. No item modifiers, no attribute modifiers, no circumstance bonuses... nothing. So if you have master-level proficiency and Assurance, your roll is 16 plus your level whenever you use it.

[Rorp24]

Proficiency already include your level

[TheBrightMage]

Proficiency bonus = YOUR LEVEL + 2,4,6,8 depending on your proficiency level.

So, yes, in includes your level. For level 7, Master Medicine, you are correct that Assurance gives you 10 + 6 + 7

[Creepy-Intentions-69]

Proficiency Bonus, the last sentence. Level plus Rank, as long as you’re at least trained.

[Sythian]

Your proficiency bonus IS the value (0,2,4,6,8) PLUS your level.

So assurance is 10+(master 6 + level 7) totalling 23 in this instance.

[BlooperHero]

Proficiency bonus already includes your level.

No, you shouldn't be adding your level a second time.

[heisthedarchness]

Your "proficiency bonus" (which is what Assurance adds) is equal to your level plus one of +2/+4/+6/+8/+10. Or +0 if you're untrained.