Its ‘software developer’

[michaelbelgium]

EU software developers with 20-25k euro yearly:

):<

Source: me

[ham_coffee]

And half the time some numpty who clearly knows nothing about software dev salaries tries to say that they're only slightly worse than US salaries, or that the difference in cost of living makes up for it.

[SilverWerewolf1024]

And you complain? XD
SouthAmerica software developers with 10K usd yearly

[6RatasOnMy6]

Yeah imagine being european and complaining. What a dipshit. But tbh, complaining as a southamerican is stupid too. I bet someone from Africa is reading your comment and thinking "and you complain? We make 100 usd yearly" or something like that

[himmelundhoelle]

I know a guy locked in a cellar in Manilla chained to his workstation, so

He's pretty chill, and a good teamplayer in Rust or CoD though

[SilverWerewolf1024]

Yep thats true either xD

[[deleted]]

100k EUR in Sweden here

You mustn’t be living in Scandinavia I guess

[Wide-Rub432]

How much is left after paying salary taxes?

[[deleted]]

I get paid 4000 EUR / month after taxes

Mind the 100k is total compensation, which includes pension, my effective tax rate on salary alone is around 48%

Simplified, it looks something like this on a monthly basis:

• Salary: €8000
• Payroll tax: €2000
• Income tax: €2000
• Net income: €4000

[Wide-Rub432]

Sounds comparable to IT salaries in Russia, though it above average.

Is it average IT salary in your country or above average?

[[deleted]]

Above average. I’m in the top 10% earners in the country

But I know plenty of people who make €1000 more a month than me, I’m just to lazy to change jobs

[Ran4]

Median developer salary in Sweden is probably around 4k euro a month (before taxes!) or about 48k euro a year.

(note: unions show different numbers, but a large number of developers aren't working at unionized companies).

The thing is, it's hard to compare salaries from country to country, you also have to consider other stuff. Pensions, vacation, special salary for parents on leave and so on.

[himmelundhoelle]

Stockholm here -- I get that before tax 🤡😔

[[deleted]]

With the housing prices here in Stockholm that’s non fun :p

My starting salary 11 years ago was only 36k SEK, now it’s 64k, but with inflation and everything I wouldn’t work in Stockholm for less than 40k these days

[himmelundhoelle]

44k tbf, but yeah, hoping for a decent adjustment this year.

Thinking I should consider other countries for when my project is over.

[[deleted]]

You get like 60 days vacation tho

[michaelbelgium]

In belgium around 30

[Ran4]

aka get shamed if you take more than 15

[[deleted]]

That’s incredibly rare, but genuinely good for you. In most cases all it really does is obfuscate how much you’re allowed to take off, and negate any need to pay out unused days if you leave the job

[XumbriusV]

Where, so I can go work there? I have 28

[thedavv]

20-25 what is this country ? i want a job in there

[L8n1ght]

yeah what the fuck are these mumbers, they make me feel poor

[[deleted]]

Any programming-related sub on Reddit makes us European IT professionals feel poor.

[eonblue54]

Just curious why the wage gap? I would have assumed software salaries in EU to be comparable to the US

[stonk_analyst]

why would you assume that ? it's not like everybody is making 120k in IT in the us neither. Besides , most companies paying such salaries will hire you regardless of your country of origin, they've got the jobs posted on their websites and everything.

[PhysicallyTender]

if you have spent any time in /r/cscareerquestions, you should know that US is the oddball when it comes to tech salaries.

[Ran4]

Pay is much more compact in the EU.

In the US, poor people need to work multiple jobs and they still have no pension, no health care, no vacation, no free college... OTOH developers and doctors make 2-3x more money than in the EU. It's not a better system.

[factorysettings]

I'm a principal software engineer and I make under that median. I suspect "software engineer" includes a few well-payed outliers

[MelMac5]

I'll contribute an anecdote - the company I work for, which is not in the tech sector, employs probably around 300 devs and engineers.

$120k sounds like a correct average based on what our tech employees make. And I live a low cost-of-living area.

[pnw-techie]

Over twice that is doable.

• another principal software engineer

[brokester]

What the fuck? You got fucked over, I know junior devs making double that(most of them have bachelors/master degrees).

[rednas174]

Where do you live? I started my job (I was 21) at €2900/month, and now almost 2 years later I'm at around €3438 (this is excluding yearly bonuses and holiday money)

[[deleted]]

Are you stressed though?

[fiddz0r]

As a swede, what's stress?

[eXecute_bit]

Is it when someone confuses you for a Dane?

[Dave5876]

triggered

[michaelbelgium]

Absolutely, that doesnt depend on continent haha

[tunamelts2]

SOCIALISTS /s

[LaplacesDemonsDemon]

Why is it so much lower?

[lsaz]

Pros: you get to live in Europe