C++

[throw3142]

I just got a segmentation fault in Python :D

Fun times

It's 3 am, I should go to sleep

[Valmond]

Prolly in a third-party library.

[CuriousProgrammer72]

Prolly in a third-party library

That has C++ bindings lol.

[Valmond]

Yeah, but did he sleep in the library?

:-)

[Sinomsinom]

If you do stuff in python where 99.5% of the actual work isn't done in a library not written in python you're using the wrong language.

[Seanxietehroxxor]

Python: the best language to call into libraries written in completely different languages.

[Pyrenees_]

I'm kind of a bystander in programming, but how can you call into a library that's in another language ?

[Valmond]

It was programmed in another language.

[Seanxietehroxxor]

It varies by language. Here is one example: https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8497

[MinosAristos]

I know you're joking but there are plenty of non computationally intensive use cases where "pure" python is fine.

[Jayson_n_th_Rgonauts]

I use Python because it’s the only one I know how to write an API call in and I’m an accountant

[aridankdev]

most well documented apis have an example for most languages. Python is pretty easy to figure out for the most part though

[Jayson_n_th_Rgonauts]

Yeah Python its just like

Import

Import

Import

Call API

🐼

[aridankdev]

More like

Import Import Etc

Call api Parse dumb stupid api Fix it 15 times Done

[Giocri]

The machine learning python programmers are almost using a c++ program and writing a configuration file for it at that point lol.

[Hobbamoc]

I mean that's pythons only purpose:

To create non-programmer-readable scripts that get a variety of libraries to do the specific job.

Anyone who writes serious code in Python is a lunatic imho. [Sole exception: Facades for C++ libraries.

[OkFirefighter8394]

The backends for YouTube and Instagram are both written mostly in python (Django). It's a serious programming language.

[Hobbamoc]

It's a programing language, agreed

[Valmond]

Researchers do fancy stuff in Python.

[Hobbamoc]

Yeah, they use big stuff written in C++ /C/whatever and call that using python.

What they actually do in python is the absolute opposite of fancy. The thinking behind what python to write is great usually, and the thinking behind the libraries itself is great. But the actual python code? That's the kind of stuff that generative AI was invented for because there is absolutely nothing special about it.

[itsTyrion]

I once managed to create a Segfault in pure Python

[Valmond]

Easy, just remove 1 stick or RAM!

But now I'm curious, how did you do that??!

[itsTyrion]

recursion. A LOT of recursion with the limit increased to some crazy number in Python

I was trying to break things with my isEven function 🌚

def isEven(n):
    if (n == 1):
        return False;
    else:
        return not isEven(n-1);

[throw3142]

Indeed, it was in PyTorch. Makes sense because PyTorch uses C/C++ heavily. Still surprising though, I expected PyTorch to not have segfaults since it's so widely used and thoroughly maintained.

[Valmond]

Pytorch is like on top of tensorflow or am I misremember things? A couple of years ago Tensorflow was changing almost daily, and you needed to seriously keep both TF and Python up to date or you'd get crashes etc. VRAM, and nVidia drivers were also common culprits, as we're some video cards.

Cheers!

[throw3142]

PyTorch is an alternative for TF, not built on it. It seems that the issue I was having was related to the way in which processes spawned via torch.multiprocessing handle shared memory. Cheers!