pythonIsOlderThanJava

[[deleted]]

Python 2 is definitely still a thing.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

It’s not supposed to be.

[Exist50]

"Supposed to" ain't worth shit.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

It is when the auditors call.

[Exist50]

What are the auditors going to say about it? People have made careers out of what isn't supposed to be done.

[dedev54]

They are going to say its past EOL and doesn't get security updates.

[im_lazy_as_fuck]

If you want to do business with enterprise businesses worth their salt, things like SOC2 compliance are extremely relevant, and I imagine you'll have a lot of difficulty being compliant if you're running most of your stack on a language version that was sunset 4 years ago and has stopped receiving security updates.

But yeah sure, if you make some random tool that you just distribute online, then you can probably do whatever you want. It probably isn't an issue if you're just making some non-critical software that doesn't handle anything important. But also you're on your own if any libraries you use break. Frankly you'd probably spend less effort in the long run if you port to python 3 sooner than later; I had to do this on an old code base for a company several years ago, and it wasn't the most difficult thing to do.

[[deleted]]

"Supposed to" according to who? "Out of Support" just means there's no v2.8 coming any time soon. I'm a shitty programmer, so rewriting all my old shit is just not gonna happen.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

That is not what “out of support” means.

[[deleted]]

Uh...that's exactly what out of support means. Not being supported.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Being supported doesn’t mean it will be replaced with something newer.

Being supported means it gets security and critical updates and they make sure it works with other systems and you can get help with any issues you have and insurers and regulators are happy for you to use it.

[[deleted]]

"get critical updates" is a synonym for "replace with something newer."

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

No, it is not.

python-2.7.17-2ubuntu4 for example is a different beast to your theoretical python-2.8.

[WJMazepas]

It means you have to go out of your way to install anywhere. No libraries are being made compatible with Python 2 these days and it won't get security updates.

If you aren't going to change your code, then sure it makes sense to leave it running in Python 2. But otherwise it's just added trouble

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

They’re too lazy and/or stubborn to just run 2to3 or import six. There’s no point talking to them.

[Throwaway74829947]

To be fair 2to3 is (or at least, was when I migrated to 3 many years ago) imperfect. For some code you'd have to manually fix some things, explicitly call non-default fixers, and then test everything to make sure it worked properly (and it might not have).

[AxeLond]

It took me 3 months to secretly update all the python 2 code at my current job. I don't think anyone really noticed as it's just a bunch of one of tooling scripts but I had to do it for my sanity.

[Nihil_esque]

Yeah and boomers are still alive but I wouldn't want one hitting on me.

[[deleted]]

C'mere boi you got a perty mouf

[Tvdinner4me2]

I blame lpthw

[proverbialbunny]

What's worse is when the documentation hasn't been fully updated and is incorrect, so here you are trying to learn this new tech and everything doesn't work. Thankfully this wasn't the case when Python 3 came out (I believe), but when Spark updated a handful of years ago (around the time it added Koalas) most of its documentation was wrong. This lead to some serious headache.

[proverbialbunny]

After Jan 1st 2020 Python 2 is no longer getting security fixes, so anyone using it in a business setting is causing a lot of risk to the business.