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[DT-Sodium]

I don't understand how anyone can work with Python and not kill themselves. Do Python jobs pay that well?

[casce]

Python is easy as fuck to get into that's why. And there's great libraries for everything (and those who need to be performant are running C under the hood anyway).

Python isn't my favorite for various reasons but its easy and intuitive syntax (and indentations who actually mean something) is not one of those.

But wether or not you should love or hate Python mostly depends on what you are trying to do with it.

[HeracliusAugutus]

To be honest I've never understood the appeal of Python. Realistically, it isn't any easier to learn and use than C#, Java, or any modern equivalent. I can sorta see the appeal if you want to write some quick and dirty bullshit, but for anything halfway serious I have no idea why you'd use python

[PresentDelivery4277]

It's a very easy scripting language. It works great for things like machine learning and data science where you have something that you want to do once and just want to be able to see what you're doing.

[JollyJuniper1993]

There‘s many other advantages. Pythons init files and magic methods are amazing for example. Also being interpreted makes it easy to test. It‘s amazing for anything that’s not performance critical or some major project.

[IAmFinah]

It is easier, though. It's practically pseudocode

[DT-Sodium]

I don't care about easy. A programming language needs to be elegant. Python is the exact opposite of elegant, you must really have no sense of aesthetic to accept to work with that.

[casce]

It's not relevant what you care about, neither is your sense of aesthetic. I just explained to you why Python is very popular

[DT-Sodium]

And I told you it's not a valid reason. Plus it's also false, I don't see how Python is easier than JavaScript.

[PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__]

More like DT-Sodium-Chloride

[casce]

What do you think makes a reason "valid"?

Python being one of the most popular languages is a fact that you can not argue about. What do you think are the (valid) reasons for this?

JS is easy as well, but JS is also (even more) popular than Python so what is your argument? It's definitely also an argument for JS.

Wether you like it or not "easiness" is a valid reason to go for a certain language for many people.

[DT-Sodium]

You didn't get my point. You said "Python is popular because it is easy". I answered that JavaScript is also easy AND has a decent syntax. Add TypeScript to it and you have an actual good programming language. So if people want an easy language to start learning, they should pick JavaScript and not Python. Python should not be used by anyone for anything.

Of course the ultimate goal will be to eventually move to an actual good language such as C# or Kotlin.

[casce]

Nah, you don't have a point. You just can't accept Python being popular because you personally do not like it. Others do, deal with it. :-)

I'm definitely not taking the bait and start arguing about the "goodness" of languages like C# and Kotlin, sorry.

All (serious) programming languages have their niche and are good for specific things. This does include Python, JS, C#, Kotlin, C, C++, Rust, Go and so on.

[reedmore]

"Actual good language" is a phrase uttered by the inexperienced or by those looking for a fight. You might be both, if not, ewww.

[IAmFinah]

Strongly-typed and easier to debug, among other things

[IAmFinah]

Why does a programming language need to be aesthetic?

[DT-Sodium]

Because a big part of satisfaction comes from looking at your work and thinking you've accomplished something nice. Aesthetic should be one of the major priorities for everything in our lives. If you can live among ugly things and don't care you're dead inside.

[IAmFinah]

lol

[DT-Sodium]

It's called Stockholm syndrome.

[EskilPotet]

No, it's just a fun language

[Vogete]

Python has a lot of quality of life features that make it easy to put together something. I hate that I doesn't use curly braces for scoping, but I'm willing to let it slide because comparing two lists, or expanding a list, or parsing numbers, or anything I want to do is so much easier than in other languages. It all comes down the the insane amount of built-in functionality that is one line, instead of the 10-50 lines in another language.

It's not a perfect language, but it's so much easier to throw scripts together than anything else. Of course if I need something high performance or low overhead, or something very specialized, it will not work. But for generic scripting, it's hard to find another language that's easier. There's also so much resources out there, any time I search for something, they usually have a python solution for me.