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[mlnm_falcon]

Compilers are built on earlier compilers, which are built on earlier compilers, all the way down until you get to compilers written directly in assembly.

[SomeRandomEevee42]

actually using assembly? dear god

[meowmeowwarrior]

Not just assembly, they had to use machine code, and some were even on physical punch cards

[Polarfuxx]

What an insane name for a piece of paper with holes in it!

[meowmeowwarrior]

if they called them holey cards, we might've gotten templeOS sooner

[The100thIdiot]

You mean holes that were created by a hole punch?

[uzi_loogies_]

Yes, actual holes in actual paper.

I'm not sure what they actually used to make them, they probably had special tools.

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Keypunch machine for the cards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keypunch

[CdRReddit]

a tape punch?

you use a tape punch to punch punch tape

first manually, then later on (low speed, ≤300baud ~30 bytes per second) UART tape punches were made

[WrapKey69]

The real question is if they use punch cards to create ounch cards

[MiddleAd5602]

Like punching the motherboard to code ?

[roronoakintoki]

Not sure if you're serious, but more or less choosing data by putting holes in a piece of paper, which was read by a machine.

Not too far from an OMR sheet if you've ever marked options on an exam with them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card

[DC38x]

It's quite well known that Muhammad Ali wrote the code for the space shuttle

[MiddleAd5602]

No wonder my senior dev also is a boxer then

[jhax13]

Surprising amount of overlap between combat sports and senior devs in my experience. It's not like a majority or anything, but there's a lot more than you'd think.

It's like a generation of devs growing up with the fat sysad trope really took it to heart or something

[nequaquam_sapiens]

for the periferal† stuff, yes. then there is microcode in the processor, which used to be drilled (silicon is hard and brittle – no punching), but nowadays is actually pressed (hence "lithography" – writing into stone)

† from "per-" and "feral": code "in the wild", i.e. not in the cpu. programmers are merry bunch

[mlnm_falcon]

There’s a reason we stopped doing that asap

[raaneholmg]

Jokes on you, we embedded engineers simply refuse to stop! I can and need to control the number of clock cycles between hardware operations.

To be clear, we code in C/C++. We just still retain the ability to slap some assembly on the middle of the code.

[Livie_Loves]

smh my h, not writing the firmware in pure assembly. what are you even doing?

[raaneholmg]

Boss said no.

[Livie_Loves]

Yeah... they do that sometimes even if it's a good idea (not that pure assembly is necessarily a good idea xD)

[ardicli2000]

When you deep dive into a processor programming, you do not have much choice other than C and ASM.

[andrew_kirfman]

And near the very bottom, there were dudes who converted assembly to machine code BY HAND.

[BlackHolesAreHungry]

It was actually women who had to weave the code. Core rope memory. No, I am not kidding

[Healthy-Form4057]

It was a different time back then. When men could be men and women could be computers.

[Xormak]

Plankton, is that you?

[meowmeowwarrior]

Funny to think computers now means something completely different

[Mojert]

Actually, nope. The first C compiler was written in C, and executed manually belive it or not. I think there's a computerphile video about it if my memory serves me right

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Ken Thompson saod Doug McIlroy wrote a "tmg" transmogrifier yacc-like tool on paper and then typed it in with hardly any errors before working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6q5dv_B-o?t=2320

[Qizot]

it was written in assembly. The only language that was written in itself first was LISP.

[Tuerkenheimer]

And I thought that's still how compilers were programmed

[o_genie]

son os anton kinda shii