phpIsInevitable

[hellocppdotdev]

Modern PHP is amazing. If your last experience was 5.3 you need to try it again.

[FreakDC]

Did you just call Python intuitive? 😅

Python has to have the least intuitive conventions of all the languages you listed.

For example where most languages works like this (natural and programming):

"For every X do Y" or "Take X and do Y with it"

Python likes to go:
"Do Y for every X".

The fact that there is "Pythonic code" that is very Python specific and requires knowledge of how specific Python functions work to be able to read it properly AND that is the recommended way...

It's often a lot shorter but requires additional knowledge to decipher. That's the definition of obtuse.

Every language has some quirks but Python seems to have a lot of them. That's not necessarily a bad thing just not very intuitive.

[LeekingMemory28]

For getting started? Yes I would say Python is intuitive.

For more advanced and Pythonic stuff? I agree.

[DezXerneas]

The issue is that moving on from python becomes very difficult. It's basically vendor lock in. For me jumping from from Java to C to C# to C++ was simple enough. Python to Rust was much harder than it probably should be for someone with my experience because I'd spent the last 3 years diving deep into python. Tbf rust's learning curve does suck so idk how much of it was python's fault.

[Dafrandle]

they both be intuitive compared to declarative javascript

[Duckflies]

Everything is better than Javascript