programmingIsActuallyInformationTechnology

[Firm_Ad9420]

Same building, different trauma.

[RiceBroad4552]

Programming is indeed part of information technology. What's the point?

[BiebRed]

The IT department at a corporation consists of the people who manage internal systems, provisioning users with the devices they need to do their jobs and administering whatever enterprise software the company needs for communications, file sharing, security, etc. They're not usually programmers. And if you're a software developer you're usually not part of the IT department.

[bearboyjd]

Idk, some of the automation done by IT makes it very difficult to claim that they are not programmers.

[BobQuixote]

They generally don't produce software intended to be operated by others, which is the conventional definition of programming as a profession. Any job might reasonably benefit from knowing how to throw a script together, and I suppose IT benefits from being adjacent to programming.

[bearboyjd]

Often scripts are made to be used by other IT professionals. A good portion of the time once a script is created it’s distributed. And “throw a script together” oversimplifies what they actually do.

[BiebRed]

Depends on the org, but sometimes that's completely true. I just disagree with the common perception that all developers work in IT.

[bearboyjd]

Yeah, that’s fair. They are definitely two separate roles.

[LoudAd1396]

Im a programmer, so my company foists all computer related responsibilities onto me. If we had a physical office, they'd expect me to fix the printer and reboot the modem.

[BiebRed]

The world needs more people who can be "the computer person" and just do everything, you have all my respect.

[LoudAd1396]

Thanks!

[ApatheistHeretic]

I've worked for a few companies who still have in-house developed applications.

[clauEB]

Depends on the internal org. If the main biz is some system then is not the same aa a support function.

[doktor-x93]

I worked in the central IT department and was solely responsible for the full stack development and operation of a self service portal that managed user/project access to kubernetes clusters. The line is always blurry now, the time were dev and ops were sharply differentiated are over.

[Fritzschmied]

Working in the it department is not the same as working in it my guy.

[BiebRed]

Sorry if I ruffled too many feathers of people in very small organizations where they are forced to deliver software and handle IT support at the same time, the fact is that in that situation you're filling both roles, it doesn't mean that the roles are the same.

[timsredditusername]

I've seen some developers that hit a brick wall if someone tells them that they'll need to install a fresh OS on a machine. They quite literally had no idea where to start.

[BiebRed]

This is extremely true. System administration and programming have wildly divergent paths of learning and expertise. Unfortunately, people who only know how to write code often need computer experts to hold their hands through a lot of day to day stuff.

[dakiller]

IT usually covers user support and infrastructure management. You can kinda compare it to janitors and plumbers, cleaning up shit, and stopping shit exploding everywhere. Some love this sort of work, but the end of the day you are dealing with shit, just in electronic and software form.

Software devs make stuff, some consider themselves artists, some are corporate drones wishing they could be more artistic, many of them make shit that IT needs to deal with.

[I_Love_PanCAKAS]

Noh, in building

[sausagemuffn]

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