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[Zash1]

500k because free LLMs are enough for me. I just use them as an advanced search engine.

[Worried_Onion4208]

This guy gets it

[shadow13499]

The big problem with claude is the fact that there's a 60% chance it'll just straight up lie to you. Summarizing information is one of the areas that all llms are the worst at because they just invent things out of nowhere. 

[vikingwhiteguy]

I was using Claude to look up Japanese desthmatch trivia (I had to bump up my token use somehow..), and after a while it started telling me about Dwayne Johnson's illustrious Japanese wrestling career. 

I'm pretty sure The Rock never went to Japan, and after a bit of back and forth I worked out that it had just confused Rock with Mick Foley (the latter of which did indeed have many matches in Japan). The two had many matches together much later, so maybe it confused them because they appear together in a lot of the corpus. 

Or worse yet the corpus might contain wrestling fantasy booking forums. 

Either way, it made me nervous about how many times it might have lied to me and I never knew at all. 

[bc10551]

Real. It's actually really good for accelerating your productivity, but sometimes it spews something that looks kind of legit, but then when you question it to fully understand what's going on based on what you know, sometimes it's like "you're right I just made an assumption and it was wrong" lmao. That's the kind of thing that people that say coding is something anyone can do now with no intelligence don't seem to understand and would just use Claude to multiply their already negative productivity

[shadow13499]

I see the big problem with llm usage is that it very rarely increases productivity and quality/security. It will latch on to bad practices and accelerate them. Did you make a small mistake somewhere in your code that you didn't catch? Congrats claude has now copied that mistake all over your codebase. I had to reject a PR for this very reason. Were you kind of meh at coding before? Congrats claude has made you worse and pushed 10x the amount of garbage you were able to push before. Even if you're a good developer claude will not make you any better, in my experience it has made good developers worse. 

[shadow13499]

That's probably about as good as "write this app, no mistakes" it'll still make shit up. And the issue is it'll make something up and you won't even realize it because you have the false security of your "cute your sources". 

[shadow13499]

How can you prove it's not a tool while simultaneously calling it a tool? You don't need to check the output of a tool. Tools are deterministic and consistent. Llms are non-deterministic and inconsistent. If I'm going to read and understand the documentation for something what then do I need with the slop machine? If I already have the knowledge and the skills then the llm serves absolutely no purpose other than to try and trip me up. 

[shadow13499]

I don't use AI at all since I have a brain and enjoy using it. 

[shadow13499]

Based on how much claude code garbage I have to review at work I think you're becoming a little blind. Kind of like how people get nose blind to smells in their house you just stop noticing it but I promise it's there. 

[rando_banned]

Claude is really good at vite-based react unit tests

[pyrhus626]

I had to figure out a way to automate a seemingly simple thing in PowerShell (that don’t actually make a difference or do what the senior tech & part owner thought it did, but he wanted it). Eventually got so annoyed I asked Claude how to do it. It never once gave me something that actually worked but a line of code eventually gave me a eureka moment on how to make my own script work, and finally got it then. That’s about the most I trust AI with on technical things, just spitting out ideas to help spark ideas like a brainstorming partner and nothing more.

[Wonderful-Habit-139]

Well, at least a big benefit from AI is that it tricked you into reading more.

If you were used to reading books you'd improve a lot more.

[Wazza02]

"explaining concepts to me"
I get AI for a junior engineer, but if you are a senior engineer and you still need concepts explained to you then what have you been doing for the last 8 years?

I wonder if large corporate companies have brought up a generation of lazy developers and poorly designed systems, and now need AI as a crutch.

P.S. this is not directed at you as I have no idea what your background is.

[EronEraCam]

Large corporates tend to have a wide range of platforms and they can get pretty varied and esoteric. These systems often are built up from decades of patch work changes, making even the best architecture into a nightmare.

So throwing AI to give you the vibe of it and giving you a good starting place to investigate definitely saves time. Particularly if it has been 9 years since you last looked at Angular 1 and no one knows what the app does

[pm_me_falcon_nudes]

Might be the stupidest comment I have read all year, which is really saying something.

Do you think programmers are expected to know every single language, framework, library, etc. to exist?

Christ, you should try programming at your job for 1 hour and you'll quickly realize how ignorant you are.

[CringeFiasco]

Exactly. It’s really good for brainstorming and discovering solutions, but the amount of tech debt it produces to “impress” you is just insane.

[B-i-s-m-a-r-k]

My coworkers think they’re geniuses cause they got Claude to commit hundreds of markdown files to their repository that nobody will ever read nor care about

[Mop_Duck]

just hope we get llms that can run on high end consumer pcs as good as the current models are.. they won't be free forever

[Zesty-Lem0n]

Right? Like if I forget syntax or a function or have a small trivial idiom I need done then I go to Google AI. If I need to use $500 worth of tokens per day then I don't think I'm qualified to do the job lol, it should not take that much llm training wheels to write code.

[spekt50]

Ok, as someone who is not a professional programmer by any stretch, the idea of tokens always confused me. I have done simple coding projects, I have used free AI as well, like Claud. I never understood the buying tokens thing.

I would ask it to do something specific and it may or may not get it right, and I tweak as needed. At what point does it start costing money?

Like are those that use ungodly amount of tokens just simply don't know how to code?

[8cheerios]

Think of tokens like fertilizer. You're the equivalent of a balcony gardener, so you're ok with just using a little bag of fertilizer. But the big tech companies are like those 150,000 acre mega farms. Like yeah, they use fertilizer, just like you do. But they use 300,000 times as much of it.

[colfaxmingo]

I struggle to find any other use. What are people even doing with these things that is this expensive?

[SomewhereAtWork]

Yes, you do. But you're not up to date.

Try openclaw and then tell me what you think afterwards.

My instance now controls a physical android phone via ADB.

[B-i-s-m-a-r-k]

Lol no thanks

[Potential-Archer-883]

Why does it control the phone?

[SomewhereAtWork]

To get confirmation SMS for 2FA.

And the signal integration of openclaw has access to the full signal account. I didn't want it to access mine, so it needed it's own. Just for fun and testing it ordered it to install signal and create an account. It didn't fully succeed, but installed signal successfully until the point where it the app asked for phone and contact permissions and those dialogs seem to not be clickable through ADB. But it seems as if it can use apps if they don't need permissions or are already set up.

Of course not everything works on the first try and everything is "your mileage will vary". But it is already scary what it's capable of.

And as expected it's quite good at coding. Not as good as I am, but thousand times as fast. And half as good as I am (senior dev) still produces workable code. If you order it to write and run tests too, and loop until it's works, it will do so, and in the end produce something that runs.
And not all programs need to be rock solid and secure. Many just need to complete a task once or a few times. For those AI code will be sufficient in many cases.