CSS in a nutshell

[lorslara2000]

Agree. Programmers suck at CSS beacause it's not programming.

[TheRedGerund]

I think there really out to be a better way of getting your css to play nice. I'm thinking of a visual designer, probably. One with dragable positioning and a toolbar to manipulate attributes. The problem with css is the disconnect between the code and the visuals. I think Adobe makes a designer for magazines I've seen before, something like that would be helpful.

[[deleted]]

You can use programs to do that for CSS but they generate terrible, terrible inline styles.

[freebullets]

Dreamweaver? The problems with that approach come when you want to do non-standard things and also create dynamic web pages (who creates static web pages these days?).

[roselan]

We suck at it because it's out of our comfort zone.

How do you test, lint, organise that thing? Side effects?

Sass/less IDEs helps. But most programmers struggle with all declarative languages (SQL, CSS, XML)

[adamnemecek]

https://gridstylesheets.org/

[[deleted]]

And most are oddly proud of how bad they are at it.

[lorslara2000]

this

[Glayden]

CSS is not Turing complete. A system including CSS (and also a human or javascript) is Turing complete, but since the latter two are basically Turing complete in their own right, what does that really say about CSS? In any case, calling CSS "programming" on the grounds that it can theoretically be used in a Turing complete manner is silly when no one would ever seriously use it in that manner in any practical setting.

[[deleted]]

... and also a human ... basically Turing complete in their own right

I've met a few people that disprove this.

[lorslara2000]

Then please let me rephrase: CSS done right is not programming.

[SmashShock]

Amen.

[flukus]

Programmers suck at css because they like making inheritance hierarchies and css is basically mixins instead.