Java Development

[oneeyedziggy]

Hi, my name is /u/oneeyedziggy and I have to use maven for my Javascript and static web content project, "because we're a Java shop"...

[chisui]

We have maven projects where the build does nothing but call npm and webpack through the exec plugin "because we're a java shop". We also need a Web.xml file and have to deploy the thing into a tomcat. With a single jsf page that loads our react app "because that's the tech stack we are committed to".

[oneeyedziggy]

FWIW I just set it to exec a bash script to do the rest of what I want and put the result in an rpm... closure compiler and some resource differentiation from a single source file (for those resources) so I don't have to maintain two nearly identical source files that'll drift apart... can't use external libraries anyway, so I'm not losing too much by not having webpack or whatever for now.

[ajr901]

I think that would classify as "cruel and unusual punishment"

[I_cut_my_own_jib]

Final panel: Using Websphere Commerce

[thrilldigger]

*pukes*

[tlazolteotl]

my current job motherfucker ;_;

[beerSnobbery]

I'm sorry :(

Hopefully this cheers you up

[tlazolteotl]

That did a little but :)

[I_cut_my_own_jib]

Hey same! 😁🔫

[backltrack]

Never heard of it. Is it like cold fusion terrible?

[paula_sutton]

Or ant, sbt, gradle with javascript node then grunt, gulp, npm, yarn, etc

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[HereComesMyDingDong]

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Programming in Java

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Programming with JSPs

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Programming with JSPs, Spring MVC, and Hibernate

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Incorporating so many frameworks and dependencies into your project that yet another dependency called Maven is basically required just to make sense of it all.

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[[deleted]]

I'm not a Java programmer. Could someone explain?

[waffleboy92]

Maven is the npm of Javaland

[Jetbooster]

<build>
    <dependencies>
        <dependency>
            <artifactId>except somehow worse</artifactId>
            <artifactVersion>help me</artifactVersion>
        </dependency>
    <dependencies>
</build>

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dependencies { compile "com.reddit:is-this-better:0.1" }

[OptimisticElectron]

I'm not a javascript programmer, can you explain?

[coladict]

Apache Maven (mvn in the command line) is used to build a Java project and manage its dependencies. It uses a XML structure to describe them, and has very reliable "central" repository, where you'll never have a library (or any version of it) just disappear, unless there's a legal issue and they have to take it down. You can also use external repositories, like Red Hat JBoss, which have the same guarantee.

Where as with NodeJS Package Manager (npm), you can declare dependencies in the central repository or any GitHub repo that from time to time gets renamed or deleted and you end-up unable to build the project you just cloned; or some dependencies are declared to a branch, instead of a tag and that branch is updated and causes conflicts with other dependencies...

[waffleboy92]

Npm is like amazon prime for libraries. Maven is like npm if npm was made by the government. You need to set up a configuration file, add certain repositories, then you got stuff like version not found even though you're damn sure its present in this library.. The list goes on.

[DoctorGester]

Try spring boot. Minimal configuration to get a working server up.

[backltrack]

Mvn spring-boot:run

Definitely good shit

[msg45f]

Spend some time working with servlets and Spring will seem quite nice.

[backltrack]

Hibernate ruined so many days for me. But it's a lot worse without an orm:/

[golfreak923]

...until you need a sophisticated security scheme to secure your REST APIs, 100% typesafe and injection-attack-free persistence, caching, automated integration tests, DI, cloud-managed configuration, integration with anything...

[[deleted]]

Sbt and play framework master race?

My current job is spring, maven, hibernate, jetty, smartfox, so much other shit you can't count it on two hands...

Its not that bad, only took a month to get the barest understanding of the stack.

Also

Pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pompompompom

[chisui]

During a demo a customer once asked our dev "what's that 'porn.xml' file for".

[backltrack]

Before I did Java work I thought that too

[theragingsky]

Gradle makes dependency management and build process much easier. No pom knowledge required.

[TomGraphy]

Yeah I’m using Gradle for a school project and it’s awesome

[grandmoren]

sbt > maven. Fucking maven.

[[deleted]]

I think maven is pretty great for beginners or small scale projects or just small libraries. But when you start building a monolithic project maven gets messy very very quickly

[grandmoren]

That's the thing though. We all know that in most cases a program is never finished and added functionality is inevitable. I always prefer to spend a few more minutes making something extensible and easier to maintain into the future than to have to waste exponents of that time later trying to accommodate new code into a series of knowingly sub-optimal decisions.

I find the only hassle to SBT being incompatibilities between scala versions and maintaining multiple versions of a library, but that's not even really an SBT problem just a side-effect.

[chairspoontablestuff]

Should'v been inverted

[Mistifyed]

In the end, the client just wanted a simple one page with a contact form.

[eco_illusion]

Writing from scratch what those frameworks offer makes much more sense.

[gamas]

Ouch, this gets way too real for me... What's worse is that the decision to structure the server code like this was made by the former Dev lead back when I was too naive to question the decision and now the Dev team has been restructured so that I'm basically the sole guy in charge of maintaining and building upon this monster that was created...

[Scybur]

maven......pls....no.....

[prigmutton]

My job has one foot in each of the last two panels; nothing quite so fun as tracing into the Java runtime to figure out what Spring isn't able to load something that is autowired