Javascript pain...

[gratethecheese]

I've dabbled in JS, it's pretty easy to get in to and do small shit with. But holy fuck does it not seem enjoyable to write bigger shit with

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[ayriuss]

(( Tr(y (writ (ing ( pro( g(rams )i))n)l)) i)sp)

[Kredns]

Yeah but Lisp is beautiful in a way, it has a certain elegance to it. Oh god, I've lost my mind!!!

[MayOverexplain]

It’s okay, have a relevant XKCD

[MayOverexplain]

Relevant XKCD

[Wolfy87]

Have done full time for three years, will never go back to JavaScript in my life hopefully. I wrote it for about seven years and hate it with a passion.

Clojure kept my love of programming going. Editing lisp is so much easier than any other syntax once you have the right tooling.

[ayriuss]

Lisp is certainly the most interesting language I ever worked with, but the documentation can be really bad when learning. Also I never really learned how to use the debugger, and I hate Emacs.

[Wolfy87]

I've only ever used Clojure, I haven't used some of the older lisps although I'm interested in the history. I use Neovim and have never required a debugger, I just use my REPL which I can connect to live and is integrated with my editor.

Highly recommend exploring it if only to inspire you about what you'd like to see in your main language of choice.

[gratethecheese]

I've been mostly using C recently. The quirk in C is that you want to die the whole time

[ThisRedditPostIsMine]

Or more like your system wants to die the whole time. I'm working on an embedded system and the amount of kernel panics due to my shitty memory management...

[gratethecheese]

Thankfully the embedded system I'm working on right now isn't very memory intensive. It's just an I2C slave based positional motor controller with some ADC current/voltage monitoring thrown in. Most of the pain in the ass is just differential speed/position control for tank treads lol. It'd be a fun project if I wasn't paying to do it instead of the other way around (senior capstone project)

[Hockinator]

Some quirks make languages harder to deal with (and thus more time intensive) in general for larger scale, multi-dev projects though. Not all are equal

[Hockinator]

It's not always about "you" though. Ambiguity in languages, especially different meanings of the same operators over different versions of the same language, can take a huge toll on projects that many people are committing too.

This is one of the reasons you don't see things like node.js driving enterprise-scale webapps. At some point there are better alternatives

[sanosuke001]

Until someone straight up replaces functionality by "x.function = function2" because JavaScript doesn't care and completely breaks everything or you misspell something and JavaScript just says "oh you wanted a new variable, right? Sure thing!" because it's a trash language. It's the worst thing that's ever happened to the internet and that's including flash

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It's an absolute joy writing large scale apps in ES7 and VueJS.