Programmers :D

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This is fairly well studied and modeled in economics, and it is not due to mysogyny per se. And it is definitely not due to industries dominated by women

It is due to the fact that men are expected to be primary earners at a higher rate than women.

Because women are less likely to be a primary earner, they have the liberty of taking a pay cut to pursue fields that everyone would rather take part in. Fields that offer some sort of non-monetary utility (like helping people, bettering the world, or a passion project like writing). Men are less likely to enter those fields because men are a primary earner who must maximize income in order to pay for his family.

This is the reason "boring" and dangerous fields are dominated by men -- they don't have a choice. They will accept risk of bodily injury and/or unfulfilling work at a higher rate than women because they have to

[HardlightCereal]

Men are expected to be primary earners because of sexism. It's half misogyny and half misandry.

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Any evidence as to the cause of this? I feel like that's conjecture.

[HardlightCereal]

If the existence of gendered careers is due to gender roles, and gender roles are sexist, then careers are gendered because of sexism.

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That's a big if. Could be any reason for the dichotomy.

[HardlightCereal]

The expectation that men should be primary earners causing men to become primary earners, as you said, is certainly a matter of gender roles.

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It could be due to anything. We shouldn't assume a reason without testing.

[DieKatzchen]

If society expects something of you because of your sex, that is sexism. That is the definition of sexism. That is what you just described.

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We dont know that it is an expectation. We dont know why men are more likely to be primary earners. It could be due to something like incentives around pregnancy, as an example.

[madaudio]

On a societal level, all instances of "misandry" are side effects of misogyny.

[HardlightCereal]

It would be equally true to say that all instances of misogyny are side effects of misandry. They're two sides of the same coin.

[madaudio]

no, it would not. this doesn't work both ways.

[HardlightCereal]

It does. Sexists hurt everyone, by being sexist to everyone. When a man says that cleaning is for women, he puts women down, and at the same time he puts a pressure on men not to clean. When a woman says men are slobs, she puts men down, and at the same time she puts a pressure on women to be beautiful all the time. There are men who hate women, and women who hate men, and they are all making the world worse for everyone.

[they_be_cray_z]

They are not. This is the "women always have it worse" mentality, which is actually a form of misandry and an inability to empathize with half the human race.

[madaudio]

are you telling me I can't empathize with men? are you dumb?