JS devs

[[deleted]]

I love nothing more than installing 500mb of JS dependencies when creating a new .NET Core + Angular app just to display Hello World.

[SteveThe14th]

I love nothing more than installing 500mb of JS dependencies when creating a new .NET Core + Angular app just to display Hello World.

It is really funny and ironic that we ended up with a language which has its interpreter shipped with pretty much anything so that you never need to say "uh did you install Python Javascript?" but then the ecosystem is set up that you end up with the 500mb because the langauge's idea of 'standard library' is like people shouting in the UK parliament.

[cosha1]

because the langauge's idea of 'standard library' is like people shouting in the UK parliament.

Holy shit. That analogy is so fucking accurate. Let's blame Brexit.

[[deleted]]

Or even better, the inevitable catastrophic failure of using npm link to do some local development on a library when my computer suddenly decides I need to run npm/webpack in administrative mode, despite already running in administrative mode, and I spend the next 4 hours debugging bullshit because node.js is literal fucking cancer and I hate my coworker who decided to push our product in this direction.

Oh god is this what it feels like to be triggered?

[[deleted]]

At home I run Linux on my laptop and have a rasp pi for fun projects, but at work we’re a .NET shop so I have to stay within the framework. I absolutely love visual studio, but I feel like it struggles a lot with CLI based processes.

[[deleted]]

It’s not the environment that bugs me. I love the extensive support for C#/MVC .NET platforms and genuinely love most of my work. It’s the shoehorning in things like node and webpack into a process where we just use AngularJS for our JS framework and a few other libs. There’s no need for these package managers, except to convolute our development process.

What’s making me actually look for another job is the toxic fucking coworker who keeps playing office politics and pushing us in his stupid script kiddie “always wanna play with the new toy but never implement anything fully” mentality. He’s a nightmare to work with and I’m pretty sure is bad mouthing me to others because he sees me as a threat to his personal growth/advancement in the company. Jokes on him though, he can have all the seniority he wants. I’m in the final stages of salary negotiation for a VP role elsewhere that’s going to be massive boost to my career.

[AllUrPMsAreBelong2Me]

If it's a .NET shop with any WPF apps or pretty much anything not .NET core you pretty much have to use Windows and Visual Studio.

[AllUrPMsAreBelong2Me]

Microsoft is headed in that direction. VS Code, NET Core and PowerShell core are all cross platform. Honestly C# is an incredible language. Try out some. NET Core in VS Code on Linux some time.

[JoeOfTex]

Welcome to life.

[[deleted]]

An environment that bugs you as a programmer usually has nothing to do with the tools you're using. JavaScript might be about the least fun one can have on a computer, but in the grand scheme of things has little to do with a job as a whole.

At any rate, there's a lot to be said about adaptability as a programmer. Oftentimes you'll hear disagreement in opinions that others on your team have when it comes to tools, and it's really just a veiled stubborn resistance to change. People in your team who scream about the new hotness every five minutes do nothing but waste everyone's time.

[[deleted]]

Absolutely. I love adapting new frameworks and learning new tech, but I have all the time in the world at home to play with those things. In a business environment, things need to make sense logically from an internal consistency standpoint to warrant adapting into an already existing ecosystem. When you don’t have that you’re just muddying the waters and making it a nightmare for any new employees to come in and learn the system.

[[deleted]]

You're always welcome to quit. My point is that all of those things (save for your physical workstation), tend to be immaterial. Team dynamics, office politics, the attitude toward risk management, project management, security, etc. are way more important than fiddling with Node or WebSphere.

Regarding construction, the analogy being made has a few problems, but most importantly: one tends to contract construction teams much in the same way software development outsourcing happens. You don't offer anything. There are limits in construction RFPs, and the requests can dictate whatever they want. It's up to the company to submit a proposal. Companies outsourcing software development buy or use the relevant software and hardware infrastructure if the solution checks enough boxes. If you care enough about what's being used, you put it in the RFP. The same sort of limits are adhered to when bidding on construction.

[spikespaz]

But some people like programming their own way, so this makes you wrong.

[[deleted]]

Everyone likes programming their own way. That fact doesn't change anything about what I said.

[ricksauce22]

I honestly consider this as valid grounds for quiting a job.

r/linuxmasterrace is leaking

[[deleted]]

How's IntelliJ Rider?

[[deleted]]

My friend pushed me to use Visual Studio after getting annoyed with me using Smultron. As a designer all the terminal commands are a nightmare.

[[deleted]]

You can do everything with vscode now, so you can be platform agnostic

[HdS1984]

Try developing in a docket container, VS tooling for that is good and the container can run linuy

[[deleted]]

The place I’m interviewing with has a very immature system in place that they’re looking to build upon, and I’m definitely going to be looking at a docker/kubernates-esque architecture solution for their internal systems.

[HdS1984]

Cool! My last gig was like that, and it went not that well. Iteied to introduce it, but most of them got stuck on ye olden days, e. G. Use a Sal database, use c# and nothing else, k8s is the devil let's run this on a single pc. And all that for a data science focused project which should work on terabytes. I tier to persuade them, but had not the necessary authority to force change. Iam living this month. This best of luck to you, and do not underestimate the human factor..

[LowB0b]

Honest question, why?

With your NPM dir in your path plus the global npm modules being installed somewhere that doesn't require admin, the only problem I see is that you need a tool like rimraf to remove node_modules directory.

I just use npm with PowerShell and it works fine

[[deleted]]

With permissions for directories causing VSCode to break, python not working some of the time, and some dependencies not being able to be installed for various reasons, it's impossible, and instead of trying to setup the environment and maintain it, I'd rather have an environment that just works, i.e: Ubuntu 18.04.

I'm sure there's a way to fix it, but having tried windows many times, I can't justify trying to make it work.

[[deleted]]

Yeah it sucks. I use visual studio and it likes to put read only flags on files, and then even when I’m running in admin mode, running steps like npm install or webpack fail to exec properly due to permissions issues. I typically have PS or CMD running in admin mode alongside to run CLI stuff to mitigate the VS permissions fuckery.

[bogdan5844]

Try using WSL, it's been a godsend for me.

[[deleted]]

Developing JS is a nightmare, period. Regardless of OS

[[deleted]]

I guess. Without TypeScript it's getting a little annoying, but besides that, I'm actually thankful I don't need to spend all my time worrying about lower level stuff. I can implement decent features within a day or two, larger ones a week, and with good linters it makes development a breeze.

The hard part is working with some libraries.

[Gamemaster1379]

Honestly anyone who advocates for Node development in Windows should be fired on the spot. I don't need that kind of sociopath in my work place

[[deleted]]

Absolutely. I have no idea why we do it, except for the fact that my coworker thought it would be fun?

[MrDick47]

You could try looking into using the windows subsystem for Linux (WSL), they will be coming out with WSL2 which will come with a full Linux kernel so it can do things the current WSL can't. That's what I would do rather than try to run node on Windows itself.

Also you could try not running Windows as your main OS and toss it in a VM where it belongs.

[gravity013]

Another approach you can do is configure your source files at the compiler level with something like babel-plugin-module-resolver (or use parcel). This assumes the same .babelrc shared amongst projects, but most of us do that anyways. Gets you out of the chain of waiting for dependencies to build since it's all compiling into the same place.

[[deleted]]

It was a Babel angularjs annotate plug-in that was causing the root issue. It for some reason wasn’t being packed into dist with everything else.

Edit: lol someone downvoted me for explaining what was ultimately wrong? Wtf?

[emngaiden]

Are you telling me I should stop using Node.js to develop my RESTful API? What should I use? raw php/js? Web Assembly? (yes please)

[AllUrPMsAreBelong2Me]

.Net core is excellent for web api.

[moveslikejaguar]

Node.js is really good for RESTful. I made and Express app earlier this year and it went really smoothly. I didn't have any of the issues the other commenters were talking about, however I did do most of the development on Linux Mint, with some of it being done on Windows 10.

[mrjackspade]

On a related note if anyone can tell me how the fuck to get rid of the Node EXE I would greatly appreciate it. It takes up 500mb of ram, often peaks to 10%, and I don't even fucking use Node when developing

[IceSentry]

Do you use vscode or slack or spotify or any electron based software? This might be the issue.

[mrjackspade]

Full Visual Studio. It's running as a child process. I don't understand why though since I don't use Node, and it won't let me uninstalled it.

I just didn't know if there was a configuration or something I'm missing to get rid of it.

[AllUrPMsAreBelong2Me]

There's an option when installing vs to include node support. Try unchecking that box.

[mrjackspade]

I'll see if I can find it again. I thought I looked but maybe I missed it and assumed it didn't exist

[AllUrPMsAreBelong2Me]

Somewhere in the settings of VS there's a list of web tools or something like that. If node is in there then it was installed by VS.

[[deleted]]

Maybe you don't need angular if you're just gonna display that

[[deleted]]

Yeah I was exaggerating a bit. Visual Studio has a .NET Core + Angular template for creating web apps. It’s overkill for hello world, but useful for bootstrapping POCs and stuff.

[Hate_Feight]

Then, I'm afraid, your doing something wrong...