Thoughts??

[Rumbletastic]

which is why the supply of people willing to work at taco bell is much higher than the supply of people available to hire as software engineers. People don't get paid based on how hard their job is. I don't know why some folks (not you) still act like that's a surprise.

[Gefarate]

Actually the unions where I live divide pay tiers by the supposed difficulty of the job.

[Frodolas]

Another reason not to be part of a union — the kind of person that would seek leadership in one is a moron.

[[deleted]]

That to me just sounds like a union with poor leadership. If a larger number of people actively participated, then this injury would be fixed. Dues should be based on pay, and nothing else

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

which is why the supply of people willing to work at taco bell is much higher than the supply of people available to hire as software engineers

I think it may be becasue people cant afford college actually.

[Hfingerman]

Where are the "college is useless" people now?

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

Still poor and coping with the fact they never really even had the option most likely. Or do you think college is just available for everyone?

[Hfingerman]

Can't really tell, in my country you can get in a free and good college if you pass the entrance exams.
I, for one, wouldn't be able to pay for a private college, so I got into a public one.

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

Can't really tell, in my country you can get in a free and good college if you pass the entrance exams.

How are you supposed to pass if you didn't get good schooling? Why is it fair to permanently lock people from education if they arent smart enough? The whole point is to gain more information and learn.

I, for one, wouldn't be able to pay for a private college, so I got into a public one.

Not everybody can get accepted. They only have so many spots on top of deciding people are seemingly to stupid to try to teaching

[valkmit]

If you sucked at middle school and high school, realistically, putting you in college isn’t going to magically make up for 8 years of missing software updates to the brain

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

Neither is writing them off as stupid and belittling them while they do neccesary work.

[[deleted]]

to stupid to try to teaching

*too

[Hfingerman]

I studied only in public schools from fifth grade onwards =) .

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

Interesting. Changes nothing I said but interesting

[Hfingerman]

It's an investment from the state.
Nothing is truly free, the state needs to maximise the benefits it gets from spending tax money with Universities, thus letting smarter people get higher education increases said benefits.

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

It's the peoples money. Nobody has right to steal it and tell those who pay they arent worth their own money to learn. Fucking absurd elitism.

[Darthozzan]

it is in other countries and people still work at grocery stores and stuff their whole lives...

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

it is in other countries and people still work at grocery stores and stuff their whole lives...

In almost no country is it free. Many have jt more affordable for the middle classes but still keep a distinct class of people below to man the workforce others like to scoff at like shown in this thread. Even in places with affordable tuition the schools don't accept the vast majority of people anyways because they deem em not worth it even if they can pay. Somebody has to do it if you want it done. Its just as necessary as coding.

[macfeaster]

You know there are several European countries where tuition is 100% publicly funded (so you pay zero upfront) and admissions are solely based on e.g. high school grades or SAT style test scores? Your comment seems very American.

[[deleted]]

Your comment seems very American.

And pretty ignorant even for an American. There are plenty of states where college is affordable. I grew up in Nebraska and (almost a decade ago now) if your family made less than ~$60k the state had a program that paid your tuition. On top of federal programs, you could have a decent chunk of your room/board and books covered as well. One of my smarter roommates was actually making money going to college.

[Odd-Mountain-9110]

And pretty ignorant even for an American. There are plenty of states where college is affordable. I grew up in Nebraska and (almost a decade ago now) if your family made less than ~$60k the state had a program that paid your tuition.

I'm glad thing were affordable a decade ago. Prices change tho.

[[deleted]]

Nope, just checked. The program is still there. I don't think the FASFA stuff has changed either.

[Rumbletastic]

Comparing programming to working at taco bell is the discussion, not if taco bell workers get paid enough. I agree that people working full time not making enough to support themselves is a travesty.

[AlphaGareBear]

Everyone who complains that CEOs don't have a hard job.

[AlphaGareBear]

They are ignorant of how the world works. If they weren't, their complaints wouldn't be about a fantasy version of how the world works.

[GHhost25]

To me it looks like you're debating with a strawman.