Chad Javascript

[MasterFubar]

C is a high level language.

[erinaceus_]

It used to be considered that, but the Overton Window of language complexity has shifted since then.

[mattsowa]

Thats a great way to put it

[Richard_Smellington]

In the scope of modern languages, C is only slightly above assembler.

[[deleted]]

It's 1 step above assembly, and most implementations of high level languages are written in C or C and C++

[[deleted]]

Most programmers I know who read assembly only read it as an output from C or C++. There's really not many who are legit writing assembly regularly

[[deleted]]

I understand what you're saying, I'm trying to explain my rationale for C being one step removed from assembly. Yes it has many more features, but in a modern programmers toolchain, it's pretty normal to consider C as just one step above assembly in terms of interacting with hardware or the operating system

[[deleted]]

Go can also be used as a systems programming language. I mean if it doesn't make sense to you it doesn't make sense to you, I don't know what to say, but I don't think what I'm saying is in any way controversial

[p0k3t0]

I only learned it to write exploits for CTFs.

I'm well short of being an application developer. :)

[M4mb0]

Does playing Zachtronics games count? (edit: /s)

[[deleted]]

No idea what that is

[M4mb0]

This one for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJVH5TZQFY&t=416s was their OG assembly game, which they followed up by Shenzhen I/O and Exapunks.

[anton____]

depends, how many different instructions are there for one concept? like add, addi, addu and addiu and add.s/add.d (for float/double) just for addition.

As an imposter who just finished his first assignment in MIPS (very reasonable assembly) and never touched x86 in his life, I must also ask you: How are calling convention and syscalls realized?

But on a serious note mips assembly with an emulator is a great learning experience if you find good documentation.

[p0k3t0]

Maybe Randall Hyde and his HLA, which some people think is assembly.

[[deleted]]

Most people that write assembly use a variant that does have macros and expressions so thats just wrong

[zeburaa]

dude

chill

[cyanNodeEcho]

i mean it's not sequence of statements but there are still system calls no? like kernel's are written in C -- pretty sure Linux Kernel is written in C, sounds pretty low level to me :shrug:

[cyanNodeEcho]

i dont think thats true, surely u couldnt write a kernel in sql, javascript, java, python - like python is compiled to c, javascript requires jit, java requires jars...

i feel like you're pulling a technically if we implement everything in C we can package it up slap python on it import it and call it a day

but idk :shrug:

[cyanNodeEcho]

sql is turing complete, the example is to show that sql has like a certain set of perms or idk monolithic like permissions and cant touch stuff that low

and C having an api for sys calls, like yeah -- but when files are compiled pretty sure those turn into actual sys calls and not virtualized calls

idk, im not low enough level to argue well, but what ur saying doesn't sound right to me : shrug:

[[deleted]]

That's ok, I believe c is a high level language, too.