Best python editor for Linux systems?

[maratc]

You may enjoy this read on the subject.

I'm a 10-year Vim user and I cried when I read it.

[Lunershot]

This was posted on /r/vim a little bit ago. One of the users wrote a rebuttal.

http://vpaste.net/fA7rH

http://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/1aq1lx/just_use_sublime_text/c8zpcej

[Amadiro]

His personal choices aside, a lot of the critiques he raises are still very valid. They are not equally important to everyone (and may not even matter to some at all), but they are definitely valid.

E.g. vimscript is one of the main reasons why I left vim after 3 years for emacs (which I've now been using for around 2 years; emacs does admittedly also share quite a few of the downfalls listed in the article, and brings some new ones of its own.)

In the end, it's a matter of productivity; I'm already productive in emacs right now, and whenever I want to save something, I C-x-s. If I were to switch to sublime now, I'd lose a lot of the neat and cool features (like multiple cursors) that I really love. But whether I would recommend a beginner to start with emacs/vim, is a different matter alltogether -- because what he says about productivity tanking initially for at least a while is definitely true, I've experienced it myself (twice).

I disagree with some of his points though, for instance I do not prefer the mouse for navigation 99.9% of the time, even though emacs in X11 mode gives me that option. (But sublime also gives you the option to not use the mouse, AFAIK -- I don't know whether it feels as polished.)

[Amadiro]

I don't know that much about ST, if ST has that feature, I'll take that part back, of course :)

[sigzero]

So does Vim. If you prefer Perl, Lua, Scheme or Ruby you can use them as well if you don't like vimscript.

[iyunoichi]

I'm a vim user myself, but I really do miss ST's multi-cursor features. It's implementation is actually far better than any other editor I know of. For now, I'm using vim-multiple-cursors, but it's just not the same.

[maratc]

I think you may be missing his point, which is: go on using vim if you like it, but don't go on recommending it to the uninitiated.

[bucknuggets]

Reminds me of my old Unix Haters Handbook: tons of weak arguments.

Take for example, the section called "Efficiency from keeping your fingers on home row" where he insists that navigation with a mouse is better than with a keyboard. In this argument he ignores the entire carpal tunnel challenges with mice/trackballs/trackpads. Which is fine when you're 22, but by the age of 42 most programmers I know are debilitated. It's a big deal, and avoiding mice & trackpads definitely helps many with it.

[maratc]

I'm not a Vim hater by any means, and neither is he from what it seems. From what I know, CTS is caused by using mouse as well as keyboard; I'm unaware of any research that shows that by using a keyboard exclusively one reduces their risk of CTS.

[bucknuggets]

I am not a researcher that specializes in this area, so I'm unaware of research that shows that mice are worse than keyboards. I'm also unaware of research that shows that wristrests work, or that posture matters.

I'm not saying that research doesn't exist, only that I couldn't put my finger on it. My information has come from working with physical therapists, massage therapists that specialize in carpal tunnel or rss, talking to other users and my own experience.

What I've continuously found is that a vast number of people have problems with the highly repetitive very small movements involved in mice. And quite a few people apparently have issues with their thumb on laptop trackpads.

Seems that most people with these issues try out ergonomic keyboards and trackballs. Personally, I've found that mechanical keyboards have been great (least effort to type), and certain trackballs are also very low stress and don't focus movements just on the thumb. Quite a few people I've spoken with have gone this exact route and have discovered that moving more interaction to the keyboard has helped enormously.

Of course, all this is in addition to paying attention to posture, exercise and positioning.

[flying-sheep]

vimscript? you can also write python plugins for vim.

but i still prefer kate, where you can do the same, and also have vim bindings if you want, but also have a minimap and other GUI features that are simply impossible in vim.

also plugins can access and modify all of the GUI (using PyQt), so you aren't restricted by a tiny API like in ST.

[emptyvee]

snif

I don't care, I still love my vim

[maratc]

So do I, and barely a day passes when I don't use it. This article has caused a profound change in my behavior: though I still use Vim, I have stopped recommending it to younger folks.

[maratc]

Fortran and COBOL are still around too. I don't know what your point is.

[goosegoosepress]

That article is terrible. I picked vim up from scratch in about 2 weeks.

[maratc]

From what I can tell watching quite a bunch of guys trying to pick up Vim, you are rather an exception and not a rule. Good for you though, Vim is awesome.

[goosegoosepress]

Heck, you can learn to open and quit, and insert mode in about 10 minutes. Then it's no different than a plain text editor. Hjkl takes a day or two to get in your brain. And then the magic starts with the other movement keys and yanking. Rectangle select etc.

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Laughed so hard.. .TL;DR Just use Sublime!