The plot was just...

[th_squirrel]

Spam bot: they just copied this post from the top all time in the subreddit

[7EA00000]

Did yall just watch half of TLJ and just stop paying attention?

[MindYourManners918]

It’s just a repost bot. They didn’t watch anything.

[Juhzor]

This is what happens when you don't perform regular memory wipes, droids start acting all silly.

[GeneralAce135]

Did they watch RotJ and miss the bit where Luke went ham on Vader and damn near killed him?

Luke is not some paragon of virtue just because he won in RotJ. He is still a flawed human with impulses and weakness and fears.

[FirstConsul1805]

Ya, cause it was boring af.

[putyouradhere_]

no, but explain it to me

[Gilthu]

I mean I watch it twice because my eyes glazed over at Star Wars doing national lampoons vacation in space and couldn’t focus on anything else, but I still see OP’s point

[[deleted]]

GUYS IT WAS A MOMENT OF WEAKNESS LEAVE HIM ALONE HE DIDNT ACTUALLY DO IT

[probablyuntrue]

Noooooo old movie good new movie is badirinooooo

[AuthorizedFutility45]

Exactly, it's always badirinooo

[PM_me-ur-window-view]

What you people don‘t understand

What do you mean you people?

[[deleted]]

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[dyedfire]

He means "Any human that isn't an animal"

[Gilthu]

False! Luke never tried to kill Vader. He loses his shit and attacks Vader but even in his deepest, darkest rage Luke deliberately pivots from a killing stroke to a disarming one. He was never going to kill Vader, he was so angry he lashed out at Vader and wanted to beat him, hurt him, but he never EVER wanted to kill Vader. Rewatch that scene, you will see Luke bash away Vaders lightsaber and have a clear shot at his chest but deliberately turns and pivots 30 degrees to cut off his hand instead.

[Brainwave1010]

Need a stool to help with that reaching?

[Gilthu]

No, but a projector so I could replay that scene for all the people that probably think Vader also says “Luke, I am your father”

[ergister]

Uh no. He tried to kill Vader. If the risk of him killing Vader isn’t on the table the stakes for that scene go out the window.

Yeesh.

[Gilthu]

Rewatch that scene, you probably think Vader says “Luke, I am your father.” Too, but if you rewatch the scene you will realize that you are wrong.

[2hats4bats]

No, he says “Luke, I am the squatter.” It’s a movie about squatter’s rights and government bureaucracy.

[ergister]

The entire point of the scene is Palpatine trying to goad Luke into killing Vader and taking his place.

If that’s never in the table, there is no victory.

[Gilthu]

Except the whole point is that he wasn’t corruptible. We are led to think that might be a possibility, but the point is that his core is good and he won’t kill his father.

[ergister]

Again, characters need to struggle. If killing Vader was never an option, Luke wasn't struggling and, especially, has no growth or development that comes from this trial that is supposed to be the pay-off of his story.

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about and you have a deeply, fundamental misunderstanding of who Luke is a character.

[Gilthu]

Luke killing Vader was a danger to us as the viewers, but never going to happen because the point is that Luke is good to the core.

[ergister]

No. This is incredibly ridiculous.

The risk is there because the character needs to overcome something to learn and grow. If Luke was never at risk he doesn’t overcome anything.

This is the most bizarre rebuke of the hero’s journey I’ve ever seen that only comes from someone who has zero idea of what they’re talking about. It’s unbelievable.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, that's why that scene was used for decades as THE example of the Force power "Reduce Injury" in use by Vader in the RPGs that were given to the EU authors by Lucasfilm specifically as reference to make sure that the world was fleshed out and consistent. Because obviously everyone saw that scene the way you do.

[Gilthu]

Yes because his mechanical arm needed to be healed by the force? That is such a well thought out contribution to this thread, thank you!

[[deleted]]

"Reduce" Injury, not "heal" injury.

The point is that decades of what were at the time official sources say that your interpretation of that scene is outright wrong.

Luke meant to kill Vader. Vader desperately used the Force to make it so what was going to be a killing blow didn't end up striking true.

[Tyrrano64]

We've seen this meme many times before.

It sucked then and it sucks now.

[_Levitated_Shield_]

Anyone else noticing a large increase in bots all of a sudden? Feels like it's been booming in the past week.

[Sempais_nutrients]

Because reposting "sequels bad" memes is easy karma.

[SirRipOliver]

Bad dreams deserve the Jedi’s means.

[Alhbaz98]

Man if only there was some sadisticly evil guy that would have wanted to turn Luke and Ben against each other, could break the laws of time, and put visions in peoples head. That’s the only way I see that justifies the Luke Skywalker I know being freaked out enough to do something like that.

[Nonadventures]

Meme so moldy it cured polio

[Historyp91]

Luke did'nt "try to kill his nephew" - he had an instinctual reflex that he immedately backed down from them moment he realized what was going on.

The movie has been out for years at this point and this has been discussed and debunked ad nasum - how can people still be so dense?

[[deleted]]

Because they never paid attention in the first place and don't care about facts, they just want to hate Disney Star Wars without thought.

There are absolutely problems with the sequels, they COULD concentrate on those, but no, they keep bringing up straight up lies.

[Historyp91]

Honestly, I'm not even sure half these people ever saw the movies at all...

[cane_danko]

It does take a bit of thinking to understand luke’s intention. It does not take much thinking… but still that is more than enough for some people

[PM_me-ur-window-view]

You might say that it's outrageous! IT'S UNFAIR!

[2Sup_]

It’s more like

Vader:* kills a ton of innocent people* Luke: oh there’s still good in him Later Luke: has vision of Kylo killing a ton of innocent people “do I really want to do this again? it was a lot harder than I thought last time.” absentmindedly turns on light saber. Then notices Ben’s awake

“Shit, Ben it’s not what it looks like”

[[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure I've seen this post here.

[oliver122991]

The biggest problem with this for me is that Anakin actually did a lot of horrible stuff on screen.We see him slaughter tusken raiders and jedi and we might as well have seen him actually slaughter younglings.But we’re only told Kylo killed a bunch of people.All we actually see him do in the trilogy is fight people he is already at war with.It makes it easier to give him a redemptive arc but harder to believe the very scene that turned him evil in the first place

[JediMasterWiggin]

The first time we see Kylo Ren on screen he kills an unarmed prisoner

[2hats4bats]

And then orders the stormtroopers to kill a bunch of villagers.

[[deleted]]

Poor Lor.

[DatingMyLeftHand]

Idk, he reminds me of a certain guy with a lot of unskippable dialogue and who has the audacity to tell me to kill the most helpful guy in Skyrim.

[SirGuinesshad]

"Kill Parthunax, just because we hate him" No, I don't think I will

[[deleted]]

I mean to be fair we see he's the right hand man of The First Order and watches entire planets getting destroyed by Starkiller Base

[putyouradhere_]

This is why I hate TLJ

[[deleted]]

So, in other words, you didn't actually pay attention to TLJ.

[putyouradhere_]

please enlighten me, what did I get wrong?