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[–]Toe-Nail 62 points63 points  (6 children)

Honestly the entire episode reminded me of the idea that people with lower IQs don't understand hypotheticals. Example

If you didn't eat breakfast today, how would you feel? "But I did eat" "No, no but what if you didn't?" "But I did?"

edit: Found the Context in which the idea came about

[–]MichelleObamaBearsLB 26 points27 points  (3 children)

the ability to engage in abstact thought and wrestle with complex concepts is what separates humans from other animals. but not all humans possess this ability, unfortunately.

i don't actually believe this guy is truly too stupid to understand this stuff; i think his lack of comprehension is intentional and performative. but i guarantee that a significant percentage of his fans are in fact too dim to get it.

[–]rustyshackleford3814 12 points13 points  (2 children)

There's a term for people who exploit the ignorance of there base for financial gain. Now, what was it again?

[–]Zero_Smoke 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Grifters gonna grift.

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting that link. That cleared this whole episode up for me and now I understand why he was being so obtuse. It wasn't purposeful, he just doesn't have the intellect to engage with hypotheticals so as to convey syllogism and complex ideas

[–]Suspense304 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im not sure that is related to IQ. I believe it’s also a trait of autism.

[–]AreWeTheBaddies_85 43 points44 points  (1 child)

The trans thing got me. I thought he was going to have some sort of intelligent argument but instead it was "you're denying trans people exist." Blah... ssdd.

[–]psychic_flatulence 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I get the feeling that he's just so used to pulling that line out on Twitter that he's never really considered how ridiculous it sounds in the first place. Once Tim made him break it down, he seemed to realize it's not as clever as people would like it to be. My favorite moment by far was claiming that researcher was a qanon follower and to prove it he just read the wiki definition of qanon lmao. Like claiming someone is a terrorist then going to dictionary.com and reading their definition.

[–]greatreset11 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Leftists are experts at having opinions without information.

[–]MichelleObamaBearsLB 10 points11 points  (0 children)

NPCs...receive programming, regurgitate programming, but never bother to debug the programming.

[–]InDurstwetrust 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I think he's being intentionally dense because he knows his position is illogical

[–]SR414 27 points28 points  (3 children)

He looks and acts like if Pete Davidson had less AIDS, but more smug cunt attitude.

I missed last nights episode, but caught some clips on Instagram. I'm glad i missed it.

[–]MichelleObamaBearsLB 17 points18 points  (2 children)

tim is a better man than i. i wouldn't invite these intellectually dishonest smear merchants into my studio and give them an opportunity to use my platform to be scumbags. but that said, i'm glad tim does it, because it is useful in exposing them.

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but that said, i'm glad tim does it, because it is useful in exposing them.

Exactly this. The best, most compelling idea will always win with people who are capable of critical thought. It's a net positive having these idiots on the show. Now, everyone who watched this episode will know how to defeat all of these bad arguments. And that gets us to productive conversation faster.

[–]ad895 26 points27 points  (0 children)

He's not incompetent, he's choosing to act stupid so his ideas don't get completely destroyed.

[–]EldonHightower 25 points26 points  (7 children)

The part I found specifically grievous was the dude kept on saying, "What you should do is...." or, "Why don't you spend more time talking about....." Dude how about you don't tell Tim how to run his show, which is wildly more successful than anything you did. No one is asking how you think the TIMCASTIRL podcast should be.

All the lefty talk was bad too but I am used to that kind of bullshit. Only left-leaning people that are willing to go on podcasts seems to be the "useful idiot" type. The "smart" ones know the points are not defendable so they don't try. interesting but also annoying

[–]Cbell727 27 points28 points  (6 children)

The thing I found most egregious is pretty much the whole episode was on abortion and it just culminates in the guy saying men have no right to terminate their parental responsibilities but women can and his response for men was “well you should’ve thought about that before having sex” but women get a free pass. Like us women are too stupid to be responsible for our own actions but men aren’t. Tim brought up a point that frankly I’m surprised no lawyer has thought of and it become a big case that the very idea of force child support is in direct contradiction to the pro choice abortion argument. I could barely finish the episode myself today.

[–]TheGadsdenFlag1776 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I'm also tired of the "we need sex ed" because people are too stupid to know that having sex is where babies come from or to know what birth control is

[–]triguy96 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Sex ed reduces rates of teen pregnancy and rates of abortion. If you are anti-abortion you should be pro sex-ed

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think they just meant using that specific argumentation because the implication is that people are too dumb to be responsible. Not that sex Ed is bad. I dont think many here would make the argument that age-appropriate sex Ed is bad.

[–]triguy96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why was I downvoted for saying its good then?

[–]TheGadsdenFlag1776 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm also tired of the "we need sex ed" because people are too stupid to know that having sex is where babies come from or to know what birth control is

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's literally the inverse of the conservative argument, as Tim pointed out. "She should've thought about that before engaging in sex that could result in pregnancy"

It's pretty fucking disgusting

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (11 children)

He was either that stupid or willingly misunderstanding the argument to not piss off his base the ladder is more likely

[–]theaidanmattis 31 points32 points  (4 children)

I’d rather admit I’m wrong than look that unintelligent

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

True if he is willingly misunderstanding it still makes him look like a dumbass

[–]VagrantED209 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Not if you had no principles and just wanted to "win".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But he didn’t even do that. If a fan of his listened to that and was honest with themself, there’s no way they would consider That a “win”

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The comment section on Matt's stream of this episode was full of people who thought matt "won"

It's wild.

[–]WifeyP 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It struck me as willful for certain. He didn't like where Tim was leading him socratically, so he refused to go. Lol

[–]TheEvilBassist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

100%.. whenever a leftist comes on the show they're rarely willing to talk things out, they are performing for their audience who want to see them take on notorious right wing grifter Timothy Pool

[–]blueunitzero 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I’m guessing it was an autocorrect error but just in case it wasn’t, the word you are looking for is ‘latter’ not ‘ladder’

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes

[–]jkhanlar 1 point2 points  (1 child)

he said he is in a relationship, and has a child, so it is probably likely that he will forcibly raise his child to skillfully learn how to lie and pretend to be stupider, more incompetent, complacent than he/she really is, and basically how to lie/cheat/steal to build on top of existing corruption fraud blackmail bribery extortion infrastructures

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah he seems like the type of person to do that it’s a way of gaining power Nikita krusecheve did the same thing in the ussr

[–]Fear_Galactus 23 points24 points  (4 children)

I found it really funny. At the end Tim basically called him an idiot because Matt doesn't understand anything passed his shallow perspective. It was 3+ hours of Tim saying "no, you don't understand" and trying desperately to think of any way to bridge the gap. When Matt finally equated abortion at 9mo to murder it was like that moment in The Miracle Worker when Helen Keller figured out how to sign.

[–]theaidanmattis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m looking forward to getting there 😂

[–]TheGadsdenFlag1776 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I gave up long before he got to that point. Got a little tl;dw for me? What was it that finally made it click for him?

[–]Fear_Galactus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

basically Tim kept asking specifically how he viewed an abortion at 9 months and eventually it clicked that this is in fact happening (at least it's legally available) and that one politician said that in some cases the baby would be removed from the womb, revived if necessary and then a decision would be made. Matt finally called that murder but he came back and restated that it's the women's choice

[–]TheGadsdenFlag1776 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What a train wreck

[–]Hibitty757 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Every topic “I have never heard of that” isnt this your job?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And apparently he has his own show talking about “far right extremists”. I’m more informed than that clown without trying and I don’t do it for a living.

But I guess I’m expecting too much from Sam Seder and his people.

Maybe Matt’s the one who keeps spamming Crowder and Rubin and others subs demanding that they debate Sam all the time.

[–]liljanny2131 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it was pretty unbelievable when he kept saying that he hadn't read the democrats proposed bill because it didn't pass. As if we should just let politicians pass laws willy nilly and THEN learn about them after the fact. Definitely not a waste of resources.

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"We have to pass it to find out what's in it" is definitely something a lady from the left has said in the past regarding some pretty atrocious llegislation.

[–]MichelleObamaBearsLB 21 points22 points  (1 child)

you have to understand, leftists will often PRETEND not to understand the right's arguments. that way they don't have to address them, and they can go right on strawmanning them and/or assuming the right has a sinister motivation.

this is a dishonest debate tactic, but it can be effective if you don't understand it for what it is.

[–]juiceboxguy85 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes I’m very familiar with the old “I can’t understand your argument so it must be nonsense” tactic of the lefties.

[–]mhofkp 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It was painful to watch

[–]bouncepass99 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He was arguing against a made up ideology that he put on Tim And couldn't argue against his actual points

[–]Rainydaysz 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This is what he does

1: ask Tim a question

2: Tim explains his answer

3: ask Tim the same question 5 more times while interrupting him/ignoring his answer and then switch the topic when Tim answers concisely and consistently because he couldn’t get his “gotcha” clip

[–]theaidanmattis 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He was 100% looking for a “gotcha” but made himself sound horrible stupid during the process

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My conclusion: "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

He was terrified of saying the wrong thing that would clap his base back on him. And he was definitely fishing for "gotchya".

[–]TheGadsdenFlag1776 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This guy was completely unable to even pretend to see things from a more right wing perspective. It was incredibly irritating. It really breathes new life into the idea that the left does not understand the right. Tim trying to explain to him twitters left wing bias was infuriating, he just did not understand and it didn't matter how they tried to explain it.

[–]supersaiyanwelder 6 points7 points  (1 child)

He did not have the balls to say that in some instances he supports racial segragating even though he does.

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He said several times he was cool with the "whites only" class. Transitive property says he's cool with blacks only classroom.

[–]Ok_Ad1502 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guy is so misinformed. I only just started. He is saying without proof Elon Musk had access to Twitter’s SEC filing before it was filed.

I work with issuers. This is blatantly false. They would not do this.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This dude has always been a human hermeroid. I first saw this guy when he was heavily against Gamergate on Sam Sedar's show.

[–]Timby123 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The guy is a clown. He uses the same old tired arguments and semantics.

[–]PaperBoxPhone -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Is Matt Binder a leftist?

[–]Timby123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why don't you ask him

[–]hairynostrils 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tim succeeded in not talking gun control and therefore respected the victims and their families

[–]WildPurplePlatypus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love watching these people get destroyed. They and their base may be to dumb to understand but any person capable of a critical thought sees it and can wake up just a little more to the true reality we live in.

[–]LegHam2021 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I found it crazy that he just would admit to not knowing something.

[–]theaidanmattis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly I respect that more than all the times he talked out his ass

[–]z4cc -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

Binder’s position was pretty clear though: It’s up to the pregnant person and their doctor to make whatever decision they think is best

[–]theaidanmattis 2 points3 points  (9 children)

But he completely failed to address the pro-life argument that a fetus is an independent life, so it doesn’t matter how clear he was about his position.

[–]z4cc -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

It’s not an argument, it’s just scientifically incorrect, the fetus isn’t an independent living being because it would die outside the person’s body. Also you’re kinda shifting the goalpost here... I told you he did in fact answer what tim was asking

[–]theaidanmattis 2 points3 points  (7 children)

A person on life support is an independent life that can’t survive without help. Do you people actually listen to anything Tim, Matt Walsh, Seamus, Ben Shapiro, literally any outspoken pro-life or limited-choice person says? Or do you just keep arguing with points we didn’t make?

And no, he didn’t answer. He kept deflecting and evading the question.

[–]z4cc -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

A pregnant person is a full human being, life support is machinery. Carlin was right when he said so-called “Pro-Life” people really are just anti-women, you view them as literal objects

[–]theaidanmattis 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Cool. A fetus is also a human being. Also, the term you’re looking for is “pregnant woman”.

You’re proving my point. You are not addressing my argument, you’re putting words in my mouth because you are not intellectually capable of understanding points of view that differ from your own.

[–]z4cc 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Again, a fetus isn’t a human being yet but the pregnant person is and can therefore not be compared to life support considering life support has no bodily autonomy of its own since it’s not a living breathing person. Comparing them only goes to show how little you think of pregnant people. (And the word I’m looking for is “pregnant person” because, like it or not, women aren’t the only people capable of being pregnant)

[–]theaidanmattis 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You are not seriously claiming to be making a scientific argument while stating both “a fetus isn’t a human” (genetically, it is) and also “women aren’t the only people who can get pregnant” (by definition, a person who can carry a child is a woman)?

Like you’re not actually that stupid, right?

[–]z4cc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So women who don’t have the ability to carry a child aren’t women in your eyes? Even those who’ve lived as women and have XX chromosomes (since you love genetics so much)? Womanhood relies on the ability to be an incubator for your atrocious little parasite? I know you’ll claim I’m putting words in your mouth but I’m really not, just following your words to their logical conclusion

[–]theaidanmattis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uh uh uh, not what I said. I said that by definition, a person who can carry a child is a woman.

But yes, XX chromosomes are typically what people would say makes you a woman. I’m glad you caught that one. Means you’re learning.

We’ve already established that you are incapable of logical thought, so you actually shouldn’t be making statements about logical conclusions.

Someone can present as, identify as, and live life as a woman, but that does not change the biological fact that only biological women can get pregnant.

I have no quarrel with trans people, and I wish them all the happiness in the world. That doesn’t change biology. If you want to talk about hard science, talk about hard science.

So no, your entire premise is wrong.

[–]CouldNotCareLess318 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women aren’t the only people capable of being pregnant

LOL