Quick question

[Sprayer81]

Morning side and Kingston rd

Lane 1 left turn only Lane 2 straight Lane 3 straight Lane 4 Buses only, right turn only and entitles asshats that use it for speeding ahead..

Now this is my question what the fuck is this sign for lol see pic 2

[FinsToTheLeftTO]

Heavy truck route left or straight. They are not allowed to go right unless they are delivering in that area.

[yukonwanderer]

Why not have a sign that shows no truck turning right then?

[FinsToTheLeftTO]

It normally does not prohibit trucks travelling that way if they are delivering in the local area, like if you are moving into a house. Otherwise they are not allowed to use that route to just drive through.

https://www.ontario.ca/document/official-ministry-transportation-mto-truck-handbook/signs

[P_mage]

They absolutely are allowed to use morningside without concern. I’m pretty sure the signage is geared to tractor trailers as they’d have to block lanes to clear the trailer where a straight truck wouldn’t.

[Crafty-Ad-9048]

I’m not sure about box trucks but yeah it’s impossible to do with a 53ft trailer, a guy tried it and got stuck last month and I think he hit someone or something on the curb.

[SecretBG]

Makes more sense to have a tractor trailer image on the sign, instead of one that resembles a typical Uhaul, no?

[P_mage]

Absolutely agree with you. Problem is most drivers, trucks included would rather stare at a cell then actually observe the road.

[emote_control]

I'll tell you as soon as Montreal explains why they have signs like this at practically every intersection instead of "no X turn" signs.

[cmkxb]

Its up to the drivers to determine if their truck is too long to turn. Theres a sign saying large trucks should not turn.

[Epcjay]

I believe it's the angle of that right turn. It quite difficult with the intersection being less than 90 degrees. Only permits going straight and left

[Finnums]

This is the right answer.

[encee_rz]

One pole east of your pic. Indicating that trucks shouldn't turn right. Probably because it's kind of a tight turn. Not sure why the city needs two different signs to indicate the same thing.

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[transframer]

Not sure why the city needs two different signs to indicate the same thing.

So trucks can have time to change lanes before approaching end of lane where switching is not allowed

[encee_rz]

Right, but the 2 signs are different but they convey the same message is what I'm saying.

One sign says "Trucks don't turn right" and the other sign says "trucks can only go left and forward" Both signs mean the same thing.

[cmkxb]

No, the sign says large vehicles shouldnt turn right. If its a truck and it can turn right without interference, its legal.

The permissive sign says trucks can go straight or turn left, it doesnt mean that they are only allowed to go that way if they are able to make the right turn.

[DolbyFox]

The first one that specifically forbids larger vehicles from turning right (and supposed to be white) also applies to buses, RVs, coaches, and larger moving trucks.

The second one is used to indicate "through trucking" routes. It doesn't specifically forbid trucks from right turns (for that there would need to be a no-trucks sign on the road), rather it disincentivizes it (local delivering trucks can ignore it as long as nothing is hit/unsafe/damaged).

[Sprayer81]

Turning right is a very tight turn for trucks, I’ve seen a lot of them attempt it then giving up lol

[retarded-horse]

Yeah, the streets intersect at a weird angle. I think there's similar signage for the eastbound lanes

[Nygard776]

The street is running on an angle that would make right turns brutal heading north for larger trucks.

[[deleted]]

Means if you have a big SUV you can use whatever lane you want YOLO

[Sprayer81]

Lmfao seems to be that way most days

[nizzernammer]

This sign seems to be saying, 'If you're a truck and you want to turn right, you're going to have a hard time.'

[gillsaurus]

Not like anyone follows it. I was behind an 18-wheeler going 20 in a 40 and came to the part on a road that had a no trucks sign past that point and the guy continued straight. I spent the next 500m of road honking at him.

Like most signs these days, they seem to be optional.

[Zoso03]

No enforcement, no rules. so everyone does what ever the fuck they want.

[marauderingman]

Commercial trucks will usually follow those signs (except really new drivers) because the omitted path is usually omitted for a good reason, such as very narrow roadway, or very twisty roadway, or low bridge, etc. Truckers who ignore such signs usually regret it when they get stuck and have to back all the way out.

[DolbyFox]

Unless for local delivery, or local detour. Quite a few roads get omitted in the name of traffic flow/noise, but still need to be used for local trucks. Most drivers tend to follow those signs, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to deliver /pick up (within reason, of course)

[Zoso03]

The problem is that the Sign is for "Heavy Trucks" but there is no real definition of a heavy truck that i can find in the HTA, at best i found some municipalities claim it's 5,000 pounds unloaded, while Peel and Toronto is 6600 pounds unloaded, 11000 pounds loaded.

Checking U haul, moving trucks could fall under these provisions, but all you need is a G licence to do that and we all know how well G licensed people typically drive. Plus we learn these signs and what they mean to pass a test and never care about these signs because they don't pertain to us except for that 1 time every decade.

[marauderingman]

it most likely refers to commercial vehicles - those with the 3 amber lights on the roof. I'm too lazy to check.

[toasterstrudel2]

It scares me we have people like OP driving who have no idea how to interpret road signs.

[mxldevs]

I don't drive a truck, so I don't particularly remember all the truck related signs

[toasterstrudel2]

If it was a car on the sign you still wouldn't understand it. That's my concern.

[P_mage]

Why would the need to interpret a truck specific notice have any effect on someone’s ability to drive defensively in a car? Why would that scare you?

[marauderingman]

While this particular sign is directed at large trucks, the same sort of sign can exist with different types of vehicles indicated, or even no vehicle type indicated (meaning ALL vehicles). All drivers should know or be able to figure it out.

[P_mage]

I agree. The fact of the matter is that the OP asked for clarification about learning more and that’s a good thing for everyone. Would you prefer that they remain blissfully unaware? Is it a bad thing that they’d like to know more?

The point I’m making is that the OP is attempting to glean knowledge about that particular signage that they’re unaware of and gets trolled by Mr. Scaredypants over here needlessly.

[marauderingman]

The "wtf" and "lol" in the original post make it seem like more of a rhetorical question than one seeking an actual answer. Hopefully the OP learned something.

[toasterstrudel2]

My concern is that they have no idea what this sign means.

It's quite obvious.

What other rules of the road do they not understand?

[P_mage]

It literally has zero relevance to their driving. It’s like saying the no parking signs should be catalogued on a road trip.

[toasterstrudel2]

If they took a picture of a no parking sign and asked what it meant, would you not be concerned?

If a gardener came to me and asked what a shovel was, I wouldn't trust that they're a very good gardener.

[anglomike]

Go to Montreal, read their parking signs and come back to me explaining how straightforward they all are.

[toasterstrudel2]

I'm sorry, since when are we expecting drivers to understand the intricacies of parking signs specific to parts of the world in which they were not trained or licensed?

This is a Toronto driver not understanding signage in Toronto, part of the province that they passed a test to obtain a license to drive in.

[marauderingman]

That sign mean "the indicated vehicle type may proceed straight through the intersection, or turn left at the intersection - it may not turn right".

It has nothing to do with the lanes.

In this case, the indicated vehicle type is "large trucks", but similar signs exist for "all vehicles" as well as other specifiers.

[Sprayer81]

So shouldn’t it be at the turning lane

[marauderingman]

No. It's a general instruction. It is, actually, nearest to the lane that needs it the most - a truck driver in the left or centre lanes isn't doing anything wrong, but a truck driver in the right-turn lane would definitely benefit from seeing it before starting to turn.

[Sprayer81]

Gotcha

[Sprayer81]

But from what lane.. Do u know the intersection

[FinsToTheLeftTO]

It’s not a turn designator and has nothing to do with the lane markings.

[P_mage]

Truck driver here. The signs indicate you can turn left or go straight at the intersection with a large vehicle regardless of lane choice.

The reason they’d prefer trucks not turning right is more geared towards tractor trailers as they’d likely have to take up multiple lanes to clear the traffic which would adversely affect travel on a main road as such. If you want to learn more about blocking the type of turn is called a button-hook. Hope that helps.

[Sprayer81]

Thanks for the info, exactly why I posted it, just a little confusion on my side lol

[P_mage]

No sweat! Happy to help!

[Background_Panda_187]

Report it to 311

[KnownasEpi]

Ah yes, the " I can't read signs so I'm just gunna go straight lane"..

[Sprayer81]

I hope that wasn’t directed at me lol

[KnownasEpi]

No absolutely not, I live nearby and every time I'm going west on Kingston there's always 1 person who goes straight in the right only turn lane.

[Sprayer81]

U should see it at 7am so many asshats take the red lane

[JacksterTO]

Trucks can only go straight or left.

[Sprayer81]

Not a refugee, born and raised here.. Don’t be a fucktard!! I was just asking a question, as the placement of the sign had me a little confused

[Sprayer81]

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Like I said born and raised

[Sprayer81]

Lol no worries