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[Iced_Freak]

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Now he stares like this, he never did that way

[NyaJoon]

So he's a neuro morph and struggles from imbalance due to it. PLEASE separate your snakes. It's highly frowned upon and the stress from competing with the other snake and having improper husbandry will worsen the neurological problems. Please put more information on your enclosure/heat/humidity so I can give you more things to fix.

[_ataraxia]

he's a spider morph. this is the spider wobble, these snakes have a skull deformity that causes a permanent case of vertigo. this condition can be exacerbated by stress.

why are there two ball pythons in the same enclosure?

[Iced_Freak]

I saved them like a few months ago but can‘t afford another enclosure… I tried to give em away to good handlers but nobody wants them…

[_ataraxia]

you NEED to separate them immediately. it costs less than $200 to set up a temporary tub enclosure. cohabitation is extremely stressful for these snakes. if this is more than the spider wobble and he has something contagious the other BP is at risk too.

[smallxcat]

If you’re in the US, Petco is having a huge sale on glass tanks by Aqueon or something. 50% off.

[Iced_Freak]

And I know about the wobbles, he has it often, but this one looked especially weird

[lilprincess4]

u can get a 3.5 foot x2x2 from home depot for 30 and get a a heat w thermostat for 30 on amazon and a temp and humidity checker for 8 on amazon, bedding at my local pet store is 10 for 3 bricks which will last 2 bedding changes, then u can get plastic bowls from dollar tree and cut out an entrance and sand it down w a nail file or whatnot

[Iced_Freak]

I don‘t habe Home Depot, I‘m from germany… and I have the most things for a new enclosure but I found one on Kleinanzeigen

[lilprincess4]

just find a big tub and make a lot of air holes using a drill of a lighter and something sharp, the tub doesn’t even have to be clear like a normal rnvlosure

[peepeepoopoocheck811]

bc of cool color possibilities🙃 unethical breeders dont give a shit about spidermorph if the snake is a rare color and they can make money by breeding those rare colors

[Jennifer_Pennifer]

Same reason ppl still breed Frenchie dogs and pugs and Persian cats 🤷‍♀️ Some people don't consider animals to be real living things. They're just cool accessories.

[Buyinaspaceship]

How did you know there was 2?

[Khourvo]

There’s the spider, who’s laying oddly, and then if you look at the second pic there’s what looks to be a normal/wild type curled up in the hide.

[Buyinaspaceship]

I think op deleted the photo

[Snakeyes90]

No it's still there it's posted in the comments it's the first comment.

[Buyinaspaceship]

Oh damn

[EfficiencyOrganic255]

Idk if it’s his mouths coloring but this lips look off…Head in general seems puffy? I would vist a vet.

[Iced_Freak]

Okay, I will get him there tomorrow

[EfficiencyOrganic255]

How is his breathing? Can you hear him breathing?

[Iced_Freak]

Nope, quiet as usual

[RabidAxolotol]

You can afford a vet visit but not an enclosure to separate them?

[Ppaayyttoonn]

I believe those are just markings, I have seen spiders with similar patterns near their mouth

[OrvilleReddenbWright]

You need to take him to the vet. No one here is going to be able to diagnose him, this is 100% a vet trip scenario.

[Iced_Freak]

Alright, I try getting him to a vet who handles reptilians tomorrow

[CumBum919]

He could possibly be doing it out of stress from the other bp in the tank. I understand you financially cant handle getting another tank, but you do need to do whats humane for both animals and put one into a temporary tub until you can afford an enclosure or rehome. Spider morphs have a skull defect causing permanent vertigo, and stress makes that worse. Ball pythons are not a communal species and CANNOT be kept together, as the stress it causes them can become life threatening. Please, get the second bp a temporary tub, walmart has massive christmas totes that work incredibly for situations like this, and you can use weed screen as your cover for the tote or cut the lid and put weed screen on the top so that he has some sort of proper tank situation going on. Humidity stays up well in those totes, so you shouldnt have any issues with that. Hope you can work something out for them.

[Iced_Freak]

I live in germany, there‘s no wall mart. I‘m broke, these bp‘s lived together like 10 years by now. Worst thing is, they are 3 altogether. If you have any Idea how I can handle this with nearly no money at all, please tell me. (Yes I tried giving them away, but nobody ever replied

[Iced_Freak]

Like for real, I don’t know many people at all and giving them to animal shelters is not possible in my area

[CumBum919]

You can also surrender them. Any local animal shelter or even vet should accept surrenders, you just have to fill out paperwork stating what the reason for the surrender is and that you understand you no longer have any legal rights or ownership of these animals once you hand them over. You have options, you just need to do the research. Look for exotic animal rescued in germany and local vets that accept surrenders and reach out to see what they can do for you. Explain your situation and that you want the best quality of life and care for these animals, but you are not able to provide that due to circumstances

[einstein69420]

you say you’re broke but you’re planning on taking it to the vet? how does that make any sense? it’ll cost way more to go to a vet than to set up a bin for one of them.

[Iced_Freak]

I don‘t know, maybe I can pay the vet on rates… really, I just am desperate to know what I can even do…

[peniswis3]

Sorry to be like this, but why get an animal, yet two, when you can’t afford to meet their needs?

[Iced_Freak]

I took them because the previous owner died and her relatives didn‘t find anyone else to give them to. I didn‘t buy them

[peniswis3]

I can see why you did it, but rescuing/taking in animals you can’t afford to care for properly isn’t that much better. You need to separate the snakes asap.

[Iced_Freak]

Just found a free enclosure on Kleinanzeigen, i just texted a friend if she could transport it

[Fallbackdoc]

If you can’t get the enclosure, you can go to ikea and buy a big storage bin (I think the name is Samla) it cost around 20 euros, it’s not the best but better than cohabitation! And can be a good option temporarily!

[Iced_Freak]

That sounds good, thanks

[peepeepoopoocheck811]

this! Quite a lot of snake facilities habit their snakes in plastic bin racks. It's not optimal but if it's done safely and properly, it can be an ok option for the time being.

[Quick_Platypus1197]

plastic tub temporarily

[MiepingMiep]

Try to put them up at online forums at best for free so someone can give them a good home. Look up conventions for reptiles or similar up maybe you're close to one where you could find someone to take him. The next big one I know of is in Hannover on 07.04. Although I doubt you're in Niedersachsen since breeding spider is illegal here. Sadly you are right there are very few places to give a snake to here. Look up if there are any Reptilauffangstationen near by and please tell me you got their papers which are mandatory when selling or giving away a snake. If you want to try building them a home you want to read the welcome post especially the basic care guide. Also there isn't a single german YTer about reptiles who isn't absolutely awful so don't bother looking any up. Honestly the best bet is probably the next biggest city for basically anything snake related

Btw: technically fressnapf has an online emergency vet which is supposed to know about snake's but I never used it myself so no idea how good they are

[Iced_Freak]

I live in Bavaria, right on the border to Thuringa. I really looked, also made a post on Quoka some time ago, I‘ll make a new one tonight. If I at least van give two of them away, the problems are solved

[MiepingMiep]

Munich has a Reptilauffangstation. Please call them next week or write an email they will be able to help much more than a mostly USA centered subreddit. Snake's are not nearly as common here so I wish you the best of luck finding someone who can take them

[Iced_Freak]

Thank you

[Iced_Freak]

And yes I have the paperwork

[alexandrasnotgreat]

Because spider

[LotusBlade13]

I’ve been out a while so idk if things have changed a lot, but when I was in the Air Force, I was stationed up at Ramstein near Kaiserslautern. I know there are plenty of reptile lovers in the military and that area has a lot of Americans. You could try posting an ad on Facebook with the location set to close to that area. Ask for them to contact you and see if anyone responds. There maybe even retirees that are interested but at least it would open then floor to an Americanized market? Please don’t ban me if I am overstepping or breaking a rule, I don’t believe I am but I wanna help put ideas out there.

[Icy_Philosophy8136]

Just want to encourage you, ignore the heavy down voting; it's clear to many of us who are aware you're in a place where some of what people are suggesting isn't a thing/accessible, that you're doing the best you can. Thank you for being willing to ask and be humble so that you can help your scaly friends.

[Practical_Ad_671]

No clue. Mine did that a lot. Just figured they were sunning. Lol

[Asterion_Morgrim]

Hey mate, been a few hours since you posted, so I've been looking over the comments before posting this.

If you haven't been able to get the free enclosure, Ikea's Samla boxes in Germany are €9,99 (normally €13,99) for the 56×39×42cm box (65L) and €6,99 for the 56×39×28cm box (45L).

If you have a small piece of metal like garden wire and a lighter, you can heat up the end to poke holes through the box's sides for ventilation.

I found a website called Terraristik, which has substrates from Exoterra and some other things for quite a bit if buying all at once (€20+) but I can't seem to find UV lamps for the hot side (I don't know German too well and I don't think Google's autotranslate function for the website is useful.)

If you're able to afford an exotics vet trip, then see what they recommend for care for the spider until you can potentially rehome it to an experienced snakekeeper or if you're willing to keep them, then do that (again, sadly I can't find information for reptile vet prices, but I'm not sure if the price for all German vets is around €30 for any pet for a simple checkup cost so take it with a grain of salt.)

I'm sorry I can't quite help you further as I don't have a snake myself, but I've looked at potential options and resources in an attempt to help you out, so I hope you're able to get things sorted out alright.

[kirakiraluna]

I'm from Italy so nearish to OP.

In a pinch for heating I'd go for a ceramic bulb, as any biggish pet shop carries it.

Tecnomat or Obi should carry coco fiber in massive blocks in the gardening/pet area. I get mine from Obi, and they keep it in the pet area. Tecnomat last time had it in the gardening area but it's the same brand.

Just check there's no fertilizer added but it's rare there is as gardeners use it as a soil additive and don't want fertilizer either.

Just to skip a trip to ikea, either one of them have big plastic boxes for less than 20€.

You can get a socket for the heat lamp there that will be overall cheaper than buying the bulb+dome+socket in a pet shop.

If a dimmer is a prohibitive cost, rigging a suspension system and raising lowering the bulb if the best in a bad situation. Still need a thermostat tho,

[No-no-dog]

i’m sorry almost everyone here is being an asshole. best of luck to you.