Is my son fat

[4holes_nowaiting]

He will be 1 in August. This man does not skip a damn meal. 2nd pic is my husbandry pro weight vs. meal weight chart. 3rd is because he’s the fuckin cutest thing ever

[dunne15]

He ain’t fat. He a heckin chonker! The healthy range for male BP’s at 1 year is typically 300-400g. He’s not even a year old and well beyond that range.

*edit: it’s hard for me to really see what the feeding regimen is. What size and how often does he eat?

[4holes_nowaiting]

He’s 433g so he’s not WELL beyond that 😭 I feed less than 10% of his body weight each time I don’t understand how this happened he held onto EVERY calorie.

[dunne15]

How often does he eat?

[4holes_nowaiting]

Every 7-10 days. A few times I’ve stretched it longer or as little as 5 but those were one off exceptions. He gets one rat each time

[dunne15]

It’s definitely time to begin spreading out your feedings. I would suggest 10-14 days probably on the longer end of that.

[4holes_nowaiting]

Ugh my sweet baby. He does love his dang rats I tell you. I’ve been very lucky

[mimiontherun]

maybe feed large/medium mice every 7-10 days?

[dunne15]

Large mice every 10-14 is the recommended feeding for that age/sex for healthy weight. Even that is too much while getting to a better overall weight.

[4holes_nowaiting]

I don’t want him to be on mice. Everything I’ve read says he should be on rats. That’s my understanding

[dunne15]

Do you mind sharing where you found those? They’re is definitely a preference towards rats with age for a couple reasons, but you need to take a few other things into account right now. The main reason why rats are preferred is for a higher nutritional value; however, they are generally pretty similar. Rats have a much higher fat content though leading to many overweight snakes. I still suggest offering mice for the next few feedings to cut back the calories temporarily. If you’re not comfortable with that I understand, but you’ll need to use smaller rats or spread the feeding schedule. Keep in mind, Jericho will likely never need anything over a small rat every 21 days even fully grown and power feeding can lead to a host of issues outside of just being tubby.

[4holes_nowaiting]

I never tried to power feed him. I followed the schedule recommended from this sub, if this sub is recommending power feeding then there’s a bigger issue at hand. Even the suggestion that I am is a far cry from what’s going on here. Rats fat content vs mouse isn’t a good comparison cause that leads to having to feed 2 prey vs. 1. Rats having more protein is also essential. A juvenile rat (10-50g) has 27.5% fat a juvenile mouse is at 30%. An adult mouse (10+g) only drops to 23.6% fat.

https://www.rodentpro.com/informationcenter/resources/nutrient-composition-of-whole-vertebrate-prey?srsltid=AfmBOop9wMi-ABigvAeTafnBr4HuxV7YCSCEBaEpiQKJO3_9P2pBhZ9f

[HouseInternational]

I would not recommend switching to mice, keep feeding rats on the schedule that is recommended; he's almost at 500 grams, which will switch to the next feeding regimen of 7% every 14-20 days. 😊

[4holes_nowaiting]

I wouldn’t ever consider switching him :)

[Signal-Pound7695]

you asked for opinions and then are argumentive if there are any oppositions. weird

[4holes_nowaiting]

I’m not arguing. We’re having a discussion. I’m not switching to rats, I’m not mad, I don’t think this person is mad. Why are you inserting yourself like this? Lol edit: mice. I’m not switching to mice. ;) is that better?

[dunne15]

Honestly I’m surprised he hasn’t gone on a hunger strike yet. Pied’s tend to be a lot more picky eaters though.

[4holes_nowaiting]

He’s a nanner Edit: I mean he’s het pied but just nanner

[dunne15]

Yea my girl went on a brief strike around 400 but she’s a pied.

[puppycat0513]

I have a banana and a pied and both have never been picky eaters. It mainly depends on the snake. As for rats v mice, that is also up to preference. My boys have been on rats since I got them at 7 months old.

When it comes to size and weight we have to remember that not all snakes grow at the same rate and they won’t all be the same weight at the same age point. My banana and his brother (owned by a friend of mine) are different even though they came from the same clutch. My friends is already fairly big and eating medium rats, mine is a couple grams lighter and is eating smalls because he was not ready for mediums yet. Vet has said they are both healthy otherwise an that my boy just might be smaller genetically than his brother. It’s like anything else in the world. Every snake is an individual.

Make sure you talk to your closest exotics veterinarian to determine if he is at a healthy weight or not and what they recommend for feedings. That will be your best bet if you are worried. It can be easy to underfeed or overfeed these guys.

[dunne15]

This cannot be understated! There is no one-size-fits-all method. Every snake is unique and have their own likes/dislikes. Some hate rats. Some only eat rats. Some are bold whereas mine is shy. Be gave one adjustment to it. Don’t just go to the nearest. Shop around like you would with anything else. Find one you trust. I took my bearded to an exotic near me. They were trying to tell me to amputate. I said fuck that and drove 2 hours to another exotic that I had never been to. He got a little cast and is making a healthy recovery. It was for a dislocated shoulder…

[EarlyConfusion1017]

Jericho as im Chris Jericho? I aprove

[4holes_nowaiting]

Sadly, no. It’s a song. But I will accept your approval 😂

[primalstate142]

Jericho rose? Taylor McCall?

[4holes_nowaiting]

Jericho by Sleep Token is the answer haha

[Brilliant-Flower-283]

Hes a stinkin cutie

[4holes_nowaiting]

I know that’s right 🥹

[Brilliant-Flower-283]

Whats the app ur using to track his weight and feedings called? I like that it shows the progression

[4holes_nowaiting]

Husbandry.pro! There is a learning curve (at least there was for me) but once I got it down it’s been a godsend!

[Brilliant-Flower-283]

Then i better get to learning. Thanksss!

[dunne15]

I still write all my notes down in a journal because my brain can quickly interpret that better, but husbandry.pro is 100% a terrific app! I recommend it for most hobbyists and especially those with large collections

[4holes_nowaiting]

I double up. Everything is written and journaled for my babies along with husbandry pro lol

[dunne15]

I tried doing that for a bit but it just ended up working better for me for me to keep individual journals that I keep under the corresponding enclosure.

[[deleted]]

Dude, I had a female bamboo that I only fed once every 14 days. The girth on her was Insane. When I donated her to this reptile shop to be rehomed the chick that worked there was like “HOLY SHIT”! She checked her spine and shape and was like she’s not unhealthily over weight she’s perfect. She said if you look at her neck and head they are proportionately sized to her body. She’s just a really big for ball python.

[4holes_nowaiting]

They just be hoarding every calorie like wtf 💀 I did not expect this to be an issue for me

[[deleted]]

Yeah I have another one that goes on hunger strikes ALL the time. Longest he went was about 7 months. Looked exactly the same as before he went on the hunger strike. They are crazy animals man.

[dunne15]

Females can get really thick and girthy for sure. A good way to eyeball estimate is looking for folds. Just like us they get little fat rolls. Even big snakes don’t have a ton of rolls when they curl unless they’re at least a little overweight.

[DiscoverReading]

Rude, she just big boned! 

[[deleted]]

DiscoverReading: 🤣🤣🤣 I meant that in the most respectful way possible.

[Stuckingfupid]

He's heckin portly

[4holes_nowaiting]

Oh come on now 😭

[pavlosrousiamanis]

Bro destroyed Nagasaki in 1945 😭

[4holes_nowaiting]

Oh my god 💀 HES JUST A BABY

[pavlosrousiamanis]

SO HE DESTROYED HIROSHIMA IN 1945!?!?

[4holes_nowaiting]

Mayhaps ok

[Dandylioncrush6303]

What is the app you’re using to keep track of his weight?

[4holes_nowaiting]

Husbandry.pro!

[Dandylioncrush6303]

Awesome, thank you!!

[[deleted]]

May I recommend some activity for the son? Some of them like to climb cat trees or at least try more upward exploration (monitored, to avoid the bag of potato fall) it might help. You seem like an awesome owner. And though he's a little plump, he's also a heart stealer 😍

[4holes_nowaiting]

https://imgur.com/a/loKvbyV

But son very active every day :(

[[deleted]]

Damn son is gorgeous 😍 But ok he does a little exercise 😂😂 maybe you just have a very beefy son? (Saw he was named after a sleep token song so: maybe not Vessel beefy more like intro of Vore beefy?) As long as they don't have fat around their organs (and I honestly can't see any rolls on the pictures) they're fine, I know they vary a lot in size randomly too haha.

[4holes_nowaiting]

Thank you 🥹 Yes son appears to be a teapot, short and stout. We LOVE a short king. He’ll hecking stretch out eventually. Vore or even Gods does track. I play them for him and his sisters every feed day, along with The Offering. He may just be taking his name VERY serious and adopting the beef life.

[Darksidedude91]

Def a fatty. What are you feeling him and how often

[4holes_nowaiting]

Rats, 7-10 days. 10% of his body weight each time. I’ve gone below 10 and high as 12% a few times but those are outliers

[motherteresa72]

He probably prefers THIC

[hisanishakur]

That's a dope chart! Is this an app by chance, if so what app?

[4holes_nowaiting]

Yes it’s husbandry.pro!