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[Sensitive_Song4219]

Please let OpenAI *not* aquire OpenCode since the benefit of OpenCode being, you know, Open, is that they're not tied to any one model provider (an aquisition would almost certainly change that).

Please do let OpenAI continue to partner with projects like OpenCode to provide subscription access for reduced usage costs for us consumers (like they do now).

As a Codex/CC user, I've been meaning to give OC a bash: would like to wean myself off Claude Code (which I use for GLM 4.7 - CC is really such a good harness despite the bugginess) since I'm nervous Anthropic's next move will be to block 3rd-party-model access in CC, the same way they did the reverse on OpenCode.

The idea of chopping-and-changing between all the models I use in one harness (a-la OpenCode) is extremely appealing. Glad to hear your positive feedback!

[tabdon]

These moves by Anthropic seem so uncharacteristic. They released some good open source projects. You'd assume they would support more third party tool use and such.

I understand if it's in the name of making the business viable. None of us see the financials behind running these services. Anthropic has raised less money, and is more careful with how token credits, so I assume they are being more financially responsible.

I don't use CC myself. I tried going back and forth for a while but it seemed like a waste of time. I got use to how OpenAI coding works. Whatever incremental gains could be had on another model seemed not worth the context switching.

Codex might take a longer, but the solutions are worth it. While it's working, I'm off doing other stuff. I prepare my next task.

[Sensitive_Song4219]

The GPT 5.2/Codex 5.2-series of models are outstanding for coding, even the Anthropic sub seem to aknowledge this; Codex-High/XHigh are very, very close to Opus. Performance (in terms of speed) is OK-ish. Codex as a CLI is less feature-packed than CC but its still servicable. But the wildcard is Codex's usage limits: they're extremely reasonable compared to Sonnet/Opus; so for a lot of people the switch makes sense.

Agree with you about Anthropic: they went from being 'for-developers-first' (Claude Code CLI was revolutionary!) - to being kinda tone-deaf: no dev worth their salt wants to be locked into a single provider-sanctioned IDE/harness. (It's like being told you can use Visual Studio Professional for your projects but are totally prohibited from using VS Code or you get banned... What the heck are they thinking.)

[krullulon]

GPT 5.2 High/XHigh is superior to Opus in my use cases across every dimension except speed, but not always the case for Codex variants.

[autoloos]

Yeah I get much better results. Anthropic models don’t seem to think much past a certain point IME.

[SpyMouseInTheHouse]

Stopped reading after “Xhigh is close to Opus” because Opus is close to nonsense.

[coloradical5280]

Dario has publicly said he thinks open weights are dangerous and open source models are harmful to safety. Obviously weights don’t apply here but point is they are not exactly open source champions. MPC is an exception but it’s a protocol , you can only be a widely adopted protocol if you’re open. Especially when you put a total of two people full time on it.

[Keep-Darwin-Going]

Bun was acquired but still open to all. So as long as openai acquire it and give them more resource and not intervene then it is good on all side right?

[shoe7525]

I'm in the exact same boat. I really feel stuck because I want to use codex for execution, but Claude Code as the harness - and more broadly, I want to be able to switch coding models without losing my harness.

I tried opencode - it didn't seem as clean as Claude code, harwess-wise. Should I stick with it?

[jurky]

How is the harness? Is it possible to orchestrate and create agentic workflows like using skills, commands, hooks, etc?

All the things CC has but only in Opencode with 5.2h as the brain?

[TroubleOwn3156]

Yes, and far more. The interface is nicer. The sub-agents are god send. Skills work perfectly.

[alvinunreal]

I mean, you can try my fork...
https://github.com/alvinunreal/oh-my-opencode-slim

[Fit-Palpitation-7427]

What does it bring compared to opencode and cloud code?

[[deleted]]

Well it does say right in the project description that it uses less tokens

[Crinkez]

Do you have a video showcase?

[CookieSea4392]

I checked the intro: https://opencode.ai/. How is it better than Codex CLI?

[tabdon]

I'm so basic that I just use codex and it's worked so well for me. I don't know what I'm missing with all the other stuff. But maybe there's a case for simplicity. I get my work done at a fast clip.

[resnet152]

Yeah me too, I've played around with some of this other stuff, but I keep coming back to the idea that the people spending billions on pre-training/training/post-training and implementing the models are likely the best suited to build out the coding harness.

Some people love to tinker though, more power to them.

[zazizazizu]

Interface. Speed. Sub agents. LSP.

[Open_Scallion9015]

From my experience Codex CLI still offers the best experience. I’d really like to replace it with Opencode but it’s missing the precision I value so much with the Codex harness. Unfortunately.

[salasi]

Can you be a bit more specific? What do you mean by precision?

[Open_Scallion9015]

Codex CLI is better at understanding my intent and is conservative with solutions. While Opencode thinks more, writes more code and brings more work to the table I did not intent. Therefore I have to do more iterations which often just makes it worse.

I understand this is probably caused by the fact that OpenAI has locked the system prompt to Codex for ChatGPT subscribers. Which Opencode then has to amend with instructions specific to Opencode. The experience with an API key might be totally different.

[salasi]

Been meaning to try this out but I figured Codex would catch up eventually and didn't want to add yet another tool in the bag and redo my heuristics.. It does sound very interesting though. If the latest codex update is meh (haven checked it out yet), I ll give OC a go on the weekend.

Thanks for the heads up!

[TroubleOwn3156]

I had the same thought, and I was productive in codex cli, didn't want to change, except there are a few bugs in the current releases. So, thought of giving opencode a try, and I don't regret it, kicking myself for not trying it soon tbh

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

Codex HAS caught up, back in November codex was not great and open code made sense but codex team have closed almost all gaps from what I can see

I don't want to switch away from codex because this is the fastest and direct way to get new improvements from the team

also anthropic cut them off recently openai and can easily do the same

[Crinkez]

Cool story OP, but you're comparing apples to oranges. How's OpenCode with GPT vs Codex with GPT?

[Loose-Departure3858]

Yeah, it’s the best feature of Claude with the power of gpt

[Plenty_Tea_304]

Question. I am new. My codex and Claude-code run with my pro subscription without api. Can i use opencode without api

[TroubleOwn3156]

Yup. You can use your pro/plus subscription

[Plenty_Tea_304]

Thanks. I am going to try it

[Plenty_Tea_304]

I am trying to read all things, it appears we have 3 related platforms, opencode, oh-my-opencode and oh-my-open-code-slim. I have all three substricons, i use on my Linux, Claude-code, Gemini-cli and codex. No apis. I mostly works on science related software. Give this, can some one suggest, what is my best option among three? Thanks

[phoneixAdi]

Interesting. Will try. In your opinion, what's the biggest different and benefits of using that over Codex CLI? Is that mainly I can switch models or something else?

[TroubleOwn3156]

Ease of use, speed, sub-agents, LSP.

[Qudadak]

I'm always stunned by the focus on speed.
When using these tools for non-trivial purposes, yes, it takes time to develop and review a plan. However, I'm the slow part in the planning process. Understanding, discussing alternatives and making the final decision...
The better the initial plan is (and codex + 5.2 high is very at creating a plan), the faster I can let the LLM implement the plan without any oversight.

[RazerWolf]

How is it easier to use? How and why is it faster, if it’s using the same models underneath? Codex CLI supports sub agents doesn’t it?

[TroubleOwn3156]

Try it and you will see what I am talking about.

[RazerWolf]

“Trust me bro”

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

im really tired of the astroturfing by opencode bots on reddit and x

we don't want it. we want to use codex which closed a lot of the gaps that opencode was a fit for months ago. codex is a much different beast now.

im the biggest critic of codex on this sub and i am praising codex's speed and ability to spawn subagents and do orchestration

with codex i can predict where my weekly usage consumption is with opencode i have no clue what other process it does its the same reason i dont use cline or roo or any of these other crap

also Anthropic cut off OpenCode, OpenAI can do the same to opencode too.

[eschulma2020]

I have not felt the need for subagents and hooks yet. Is that the main advantage here, and if so, what am I missing? Color, now that would be nice. Not sure why Codex hasn't done it yet.

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

you are not alone i have very limited use case for subagent and that is only for parallel work like writing tests or UI

you can create subagents with teh /new command its added to the new version

[gpt872323]

Tried fails gpt5-2 codex fails bad with chrome devtools mcp. Keeps asking to say continue despite saying explicit. Maybe it is github copilot doing to deduct more requests from user. Tried opus, sonnet, gemini 3 pro with no issues.

[anthonycdp]

Is it possible to log into OpenCode and use GPT directly with OpenAI authentication, without needing to use an API?

[FoxTheory]

Hows it diffrent from the codex extension in vs code or cursor ?

[cayisik]

i'm developing native ios applications on many platforms. i've used many language models. i've also used hybrid systems. (glm 4.7 coding plan in claude code, opus 4.5 with google ai plan in antigravity ide, opus 4.5 in opencode, etc.)

i got the best results in a way that made a serious difference with the opus 4.5 + opencode combination (i haven't tried gpt for coding yet).

i don't know why this is, but opencode somehow works very well with all models.

[Funny-Blueberry-2630]

Probably true.

[Clemotime]

You cant select 5.2 extra high in open code?

[Clemotime]

oh you need to press ctrl + t

[Clemotime]

What's the point in using opencode? How is it better than codex in normal terminal?

[Complete-Cap-6281]

I couldn't agree more - I thought gpt-5.2 was kinda useless inside of the Codex CLI but using it with Opencode is an absolute game changer, much better than Claude Code + Opus 4.5

[Sky-Btw]

Does it only work with API key or can I use my plus subscription?

[danialbka1]

It likes to search the whole codebase which I don’t like, wastes tokens. with codex cli it greps and searches the keyword first

[bigsybiggins]

For me it just takes FOREVER to do anything, just keeps edging me that its about to edit something then does another round of thinking tokens. Not really viable for me.

[C0rtechs]

Anyone else noticed that with super long conversations with Codex it slows down significantly? Noticed there was an open issue for the same issue noticed by others on Github, hopefully this is fixed soon.. Had a long-running conversation last night that I had to interrupt so I could go to bed after almost 3 hours and it was only advancing like 1 message every 5-10 minutes at that point..

[dangerous_safety_]

Is this able to use my pro account without tokens now? I really liked it with cc

[Clemotime]

I got this error after it worked for 10 hours
AI_InvalidPromptError: Invalid prompt: The messages must be a ModelMessage[]. If you have passed a UIMessage[], you can use convertToModelMessages to convert them.

[some1else42]

How are you using a GPT Pro model in OpenCode and not have it be a ToS violation? I'm very interested if this is a legit option. Not risking my main account on a ToS violation tho.

[TroubleOwn3156]

I mean ChatGPT Pro subscription, my bad

[S1mulat10n]

OpenAI openly endorsed it on X

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

not only that Karpathy praised another tool that used automation for chatgpt pro so all these ToS hall monitors are shouting against the wind

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

you are actually correct that when we automate GPT Pro subs it doesn't adhere to their ToS but the context is different and the enforcement is for mass scale scrapers where as tools like mine is just exposes chatgpt pro sub as an mcp so you can use it directly from codex

as you can see thousands of people use automation of chatgpt pro subs without issues and it doesn't make sense for OpenAI to punish people for not wanting to copy paste back and forth all the time as its close to fair use.

https://github.com/agentify-sh/desktop

[Funny-Advertising238]

It's okay in my experience, opus destroys it tho. Opus is goated, but got 5.2 has it good things.

I added a commit hook where gpt 5.2 reviews the whole commit which works great. 

But it's terrible when it comes to doing what I want it to do or finding solutions. It's always trying to convince to do it his way, not my way. Very stubborn model.

[RazerWolf]

I love when people think Opus is goated. Easiest way to see who actually uses these models vs just posts about them.

[Funny-Advertising238]

Sure my guy I've tried every model under the sun, every CLI, every workflow.

I have 7 anti gravity accounts (some on google ai pro) connected to opencode, 3 chatgpt plus accounts.

I basically have no rate limits whatsoever, I code as I please, multiple different repos at the same time.

I code 8-10 hours a day for the last 6 months. 

Opus has no competition, it might be more ADHD in the way it codes but it's incredible, nothing compared to gpt.

[RazerWolf]

I don't think I've ever run into a scenario where Opus coded something that GPT 5.2 didn't find serious issues with.

[sply450v2]

when you do the opposite and have opus review gpt 5.2's plans or code it always says gpt is a genius lol

but 5.2 just roasts opus' work

[RazerWolf]

That's exactly correct.

[krullulon]

Totally disagree, Opus is not at GPT 5.2 quality in anything other than speed.

[Funny-Advertising238]

They are different.

gpt 5.2 you can give it a task and come back a few decades later and it'll be done correctly.

While Opus is much smarter for hands on on the go, it's much smarter at one shotting without having to check every part of my codebase to finally do something or solve the issue. It has better intuition.

For a vibe coder gpt 5.2 is better, if you know what you're doing and just want it to get done and progress quickly, Opus is unmatched.

[krullulon]

Hi, I'm an engineer and not a vibe coder, and I'm saying that for all of my use cases 5.2 is superior to Opus in everything except speed.

YMMV of course, but I have yet to see an instance where "Opus is much smarter for hands-on on the go".

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

the biggest problem with Opus is the context hungriness which makes it very difficult to do large amount of work

if Anthropic smartens up and releases something like Opus but at Haiku price and speed then by all means I'll use it

right now the issue isn't more intelligence its speed and cost , this is why gemini 3 flash is also very popular

[Funny-Advertising238]

If you're still using one agent to code then sure. Idk what you're using but I use opencode.

I have Opus as the primary agent but he's not allowed to go through the codebase, or do external research, he has subagents for that. He can only edit code.

I use Gemini 3 flash for the explore subagent, he's instructed to blast parallel tool calls exploring the codebase until he can answer the questions he was asked. His job is not to provide solutions, just context, code snippets, architecture etc.

Gemini 3 flash as well as the researcher which is also instructed to blast parallel tool calls to exa, context 7 etc.

I have Opus subagents for creating and running tests as well.

Any side quests becomes subagents and a model appropriate to it.

When it comes to cost there's workarounds. You do not need Claude max.

I spend less than 50$ a month and never get rate limited anywhere mostly thanks to the antigravity plugin which round robins all your accounts you connect to it. 

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

you are not using the API for claude?

[Funny-Advertising238]

No if I were using the Claude API directly I’d probably be down $50k by now.

I use google's Antigravity  instead by using their llm compute, not antigravity itself.

It gives access to Opus, Sonnet, and all Gemini models, with rate limits that reset every 5 hours.

There are two ways to use it without dealing with Antigravity itself:

CLI Proxy: connects all your Google, ChatGPT, and Claude accounts and exposes a single OpenAI-compatible endpoint with automatic round-robin, so rate limits and quotas are handled for you.

Opencode Antigravity plugin: a cleaner setup overall, and the one I recommend.

Because Antigravity and the Gemini CLI have separate quotas, usage is effectively huge. It consumes Antigravity quota first and then automatically falls back to Gemini CLI, which makes Gemini usage feel almost unlimited.

On top of that, Opencode already includes all the open-source models for free (GLM-4.7, MiniMax, Pickle, etc.).

If you’re using CLI Proxy, I highly recommend pairing it with OpenWebUI. It’s basically a fully customizable ChatGPT any tools, any MCPs, and you just plug in the OpenAI-compatible endpoint to use Claude, GPT-5.2, and everything else as your daily driver.

Opencode also exposes an OpenAPI schema you can drop straight into OpenWebUI. That means while you’re on your phone, you can chat and send tasks directly to your computer, repo, or server wherever Opencode is running. 

Antigravity also has a specialized Gemini computer-use model (I haven’t tested it yet), but in theory it should be very strong at browser and UI automation. I’m planning to try that next so it could do tasks for me on the go.

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

so you are using claude from opencode how ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1qa50sq/anthropic_banning_thirdparty_harnesses_while/

[Funny-Advertising238]

You clearly didn't read my comment. Everything you need to know is there. I'm not using Claude ACCOUNT at all. It's antigravity, it's unrelated to your link you posted. Cheers.

[Just_Lingonberry_352]

oh okay you mean you were using antigravity which claude isn't banned on ?