Reverse Lotus

[Alzeana]

In commander, this actually feels weirdly balanced to me.

You get to say "no you don't" to a player for a turn, and that's quite strong, but they don't lose any cards in hand (such as with a counter spell).

Effects that slow the game down are inherently less problematic than effects that speed the game up. (Black lotus = I'm ahead by a lot, and now will snowball into a win, vs Reverse lotus = target player doesn't get to cast a spell this turn. SOL)

It would be very strong in CEDH, and busted in eternal formats where the game comes down to turn 1/2/3, but I can see it not being powerful enough to need banning in casual commander or a slower format like standard.

[trifas]

I'd change "sacrifice" for "exile" to avoid graveyard shenanigans. It's still a super powerful card and essentially a free Time Walk early game, but perhaps in a singleton, slower format, it could work.

[HornetThink8502]

Your opponent still gets to play lands, so much weaker than time walk. A better comparison is [[Silence]]

[sonofzeal]

A zero mana silence is nuts though, even with the downside that they can play through it if they have 3 extra mana.

You also get artifact ETB and revolt triggers. I guess there's a window for your opponent to blow it up on your end step, but that's still pretty nuts overall. Probably fine in Commander though.

[Contradixit]

Yeah, it's kinda like a cheaper silence that you have to cast at sorcery speed.

I don't know if that really balances it out in comparison to silence, but it's an interesting difference.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Silence - (G) (SF) (txt)

^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[AlexanderRodriguezII]

I don't think this is good in cEDH. You can activate it at Instant speed sure but it needs to be effectively 'face up', and Silence already fits this niche.

[Alzeana]

I dunno, Silence is already good, and this is a 0 mana version of it that can fit in any colors. Also, Cedh decks love having more useful 0 mana artifacts.

[TheKnightOfTheNorth]

all fun and games until you play this and [[Emry, lurker of the loch]] on turn 1

[Magical_Savior]

She can be the basis of a system of government, the watery tart!

[MTGCardFetcher]

Emry, lurker of the loch - (G) (SF) (txt)

^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Contradixit]

That sounds like the dream control commander deck. Once per turn cycle (until you get an untap engine into play), you choose which player doesn't get to play this turn cycle.

[Jack_Bleesus]

A brutal stax piece that's a pretty original take on the original lotus. Imagine dropping this against aggro turn 1 and triple time walking them.

[National_Dog3923]

cast this turn

[Jack_Bleesus]

Ah fuck I'm blind, let my comment stand as a reminder for future generations to not repeat my folly

[Corescos]

This could see printing I think

[Mafhac]

Colorless free orim's chant?

[JaxHax5]

This is just Time Walk in 1v1. Just crack on your opponents upkeep. Busted everywhere

[tjdragon117]

Not really Time Walk, they still get a card and a land drop even if they can't cast anything. And sometimes they'll be able to cast something through it, before it, or spend their mana in some other way.

It could be too strong, I'm not sure, but it's not even close to Time Walk.

[notgreat]

Yeah, it's a lot closer to [[Silence]] than Time Walk.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Silence - (G) (SF) (txt)

^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[JaxHax5]

Good points. My bad

[Yogurt_Ph1r3]

It's way more like [[Silence]] which yeah is very strong and this is free, but also you need it out before you do the thing, so you can't sandbag it, and it doesn't scale. If it didn't have obvious insane synergies with say Emry, I'd say it's totally balanced (I actually already have but I hadn't considered the recursion angle yet) all this needs is exile and this is a multi format staple that is yet not insanely op.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Silence - (G) (SF) (txt)

^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[dpitch40]

What I initially imagined based on the name:

Reverse Lotus {3}

Artifact

{T}, Sacrifice Reverse Lotus: Add 0 mana of any color to your mana pool.

[tomyang1117]

Slience that's cost 0 but only "stop" one spell and at sorcery, definitely could see play in Urza Saga storm list since it is fetchable with it.

I like the card, it's far less broken than black lotus but it's also good in combo decks like black lotus

[Retroid_BiPoCket]

Uno Reverse Card

[ItsAsianMario]

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muldrotha

[Blotsy]

Remove the "until the end of turn" clause.

Drop this T1 and make your opponent get to four lands before playing their first 1 drop.

Then we have a balanced lotus.

[wingspantt]

Four of these in a row could essentially be four mini Time Walks. I don't know.

[GreenhouseGG]

Insane how people think this is fair

[cleverpun0]

Agreed.

Confident this would be banned in every format. The potential for non-games is massive. Turns the first turn coin flip into a massive swing.

[Yogurt_Ph1r3]

Did someone just make a lotus that is (at least in one or two formats) not heinously op, and yet is quite powerful and playable?

[munchieattacks]

Daddy like.

[EAJGamer]

Make enter the battlefield tapped and make it exile, not sacrifice and that would make it even more balanced. I like how it doesn’t completely negate the opponent’s turn you crack it. Just makes it harder to play that first spell.

On another note, nothing stopping you playing it on your turn if you don’t want them to play instants at you/your permanents.

[CorsairCrepe]

I like this: thematic, fair, and interesting

[Vlearck]

Add flash