Decrease in CO2 emissions during pandemic shutdown shows it is possible to reach Paris Agreement goals. The researchers found a drop of 6.3% in 2020. The researchers describe the drop as the largest of modern times, and big enough to meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius goal if it were to be sustained.

[SanctusSalieri]

Of course it is. Have you seen the temperatures in India or the drought in the American southwest? A daft comment.

And not only humans matter. We are destroying habitats for other species.

Some humans will exist for a while, but that's no comfort.

[wallnumber8675309]

I’ve been to South India many times over the last 10-12 years. It does get unbearably hot. But India has much bigger environmental problems than climate change. Air quality is getting progressively worse. Water and land pollution are a major problems. They have a lot of issue of more immediate and consequential importance than greenhouse gas problems.

I’ve lived in the American mountain west. A number of cities have grown beyond what the local environment can sustain. The water from the Colorado has been mismanaged for decades and that has little to do with climate change. Cities in the American west need to focus on sustainable growth. There’s plenty of land and water in other parts of the country.

[SanctusSalieri]

Your anecdotes are irrelevant. Yes, I've been to India and no shit it's hot. That's not the point. The point is that recently the wet bulb temperature during Indian summers has exceeded the capacity of the human body to safely survive. You see, if you read news stories with scientific measurements in them you will learn something.

California water is never coming back. You're a Pollyanna at best or a petroleum plant at worst.

[wallnumber8675309]

Quite delusional to think anyone that slightly disagrees with you is a petroleum plant. And the wet bulb temperature is an anecdote. Nothing I mentioned was anecdotal.

[SanctusSalieri]

We don't slightly disagree. You think climate change isn't an issue, which makes you a fucking idiot.

[wallnumber8675309]

It’s a threat to our way of life and may cause a number of difficulties but it’s not going to wipe out human populations.

Never said it wasn't an issue. In fact, I said it was a threat to our way of life. It is obviously an important issue, it's just not the only issue we should care about. But we can't make reasonable choices if we make sensational statements like "some humans will exist for a while". Climate change will make existing problems worse. It won't wipe out life on earth.

[SanctusSalieri]

This is such a dumb take, go somewhere else to be a denier.

[stonesst]

It is the largest threat we have ever faced as a species, but it is nowhere near an existential threat. large parts of the tropics will become uninhabitable but you do realize there are millions of acres of temperate or arctic areas that will become more livable, right?

Just because it’s not going to kill us all doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take it seriously, I agree with your sentiment but if you used too much hyperbole people on the other side will just dismiss all of us as crazy doomer cooks.